Last year, I had a life-changing experience at 90 years old. I went to space, after decades of playing an iconic science-fiction character who was exploring the universe. I thought I would experience a deep connection with the immensity around us, a deep call for endless exploration.
"I was absolutely wrong. The strongest feeling, that dominated everything else by far, was the deepest grief that I had ever experienced.
"I understood, in the clearest possible way, that we were living on a tiny oasis of life, surrounded by an immensity of death. I didn’t see infinite possibilities of worlds to explore, of adventures to have, or living creatures to connect with. I saw the deepest darkness I could have ever imagined, contrasting so starkly with the welcoming warmth of our nurturing home planet.
"This was an immensely powerful awakening for me. It filled me with sadness. I realized that we had spent decades, if not centuries, being obsessed with looking away, with looking outside. I did my share in popularizing the idea that space was the final frontier. But I had to get to space to understand that Earth is and will stay our only home. And that we have been ravaging it, relentlessly, making it uninhabitable. — William Shatner, actor
Man cannot endure his littleness unless he can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level. — Ernest Becker
I don't remember this. What I do remember is that an incumbent vice-president during a time of (domestic) 'peace & prosperity' lost both the popular incumbent president's home state AND his own home state, which put in play Florida which was controlled at the time by the Bush family. Maybe – as a Green Party activist from the late 80s throughout the 90s and supporter of Nader three times for president – my recall is biased, but nonetheless Gore lost both Arkansas & Tennessee (and had refused to let Bill Clinton – unquestionably the best retail politician of his generation – campaign for him in the weeks before election day) contributed significantly more to him losing the election than a very marginal third party candidacy (IIRC, even Pat Buchanan, the far right Reform party candidate, received more votes than Gore had in some Dem precincts according to Florida election officials ... which even got chuckles from Buchanan on cable news). Blaming Gore's loss in 2000 on Nader is, it seems to me, as deluded and/or disingenuous as blaming HRC's loss in 2016 on "Bernie Bros". In both cases – losing the electors for states which, but for the Dems, wouldn't have been in play while also winning the popular vote (a feat which hadn't happened since the late 19th century) – poorly run campaigns of unlikeable candidates, aided and abetted by the DNC no less, threw away those elections.I remember when Ralph Nader, who I admire, cost Gore the election ... — RogueAI
Neither do I. Be patient. Remember "the red tsunami" of 2022? The GOP "sweep" was predicted it had seemed by everybody (except me).Not seeing that leftward shift in independents yet — Mikie
A nonsensical statement due to the fact that neither past nor future are escapable in – separable from – the present.Only the present is real. — Art48
:up:I don't think Einstein was thinking about imagination as a faculty standing free from science, but rather in its service. — Janus
"Biological evolution" models the development of life just as "Big Bang cosmology" models the development of the universe – neither model explains the "origin" of life or the universe, respectively. However, as reasons to the best explanation, both models (usually) eliminate intelligent reliance on non/super-natural "origin stories".I took the point to be the claim that life originates as a chance event. — Wayfarer
Science "pursues knowledge" and AFAIK philosophy does not (but rather makes explicit and interprets (for flourishing) what we do not – perhaps, cannot – know). In either regard, "The Simulation Hypothesis" seems to me an idle thought-experiment.... the pleasure of pursuing knowledge. — Torus34
Not quite true (e.g. vide T. Metzinger), but even if you're right, philosophy has only fantasy (i.e. folk psychology), not even an "idea how".Science has no idea how brains produce consciousness. — RogueAI
At least in h. sapiens it does.Consciousness requires nerve impulses??? — RogueAI
Non sequitur.No possibility of machine consciousness?
For starters, what difference would such a "possibility" make to us ontologically, existentially or pragmatically?No possibility that this is a simulation?
How are "conscious experiences" "created" without "nerve impulses"? :roll:How do nerve impulses create conscious experiences? — RogueAI
Any "truth" that lacks a truth-maker or corroborating public evidence is reasonably discountable (Hume, Kant, Clifford, Popper, Sagan), except, at best, as a fiction.... anything designated 'revealed truth' will be discounted ... — Wayfarer
The "logic" may be valid but its soundness is dubious at best. An infinity of such notions "cannot be logically ruled out", but so what? Life is short, we need to sort out which of relatively few ideas are worthy of our limited time and energy to seriously consider. By all means, as I'm not aware of any nontrivial^^ grounds, please cite some for bothering to make an effort to think through "the simulation hypothesis". :chin:The problem isn't whether it's a probable possibility but, rather, that it cannot be logically ruled out. — Torus34
:up:The court's decision on affirmative action is as surprising as its decision on abortion. [ ... ] If affirmative action is a gateway to a BA, MA, and PhD, a ton of debt, and a run-of-the-mill job (which it will be for some) the loss isn't as great as it might seem to be. — BC
I'm not as familiar with philosophical literature as you are, so I Googled ...
With no formal training in Philosophy, I began from the conjunction of two modern sciences --
My primitive understanding has evolved ...
:eyes: :cry: :lol:My personal worldview ... PanEnDeism ... rehash of outdated mind/body Dualism/Spiritualism.
Yes.So the question then becomes, is intelligence [adaptation] physical? — Wayfarer
Quantum computation (re: Seth Lloyd, Stephen Wolfram, David Deutsch).So, what is it that organises the elements of the periodic table in such a way as to give rise to living beings?
Language usage orients language-users.If we suppose that there no realist notion of language, what is it that language does when we attempt to describe reality? — Tom Storm
Yep. Read George Lakoff et al.(I've generally held that language is metaphorical, but then what?)
Nope. (Witty's 'nonsense', re: TLP)... do we need a theory of language that explains how any realist claim is possible in order to accept those claims?
This depends on the language-game you're engaged in which uses the term "reality".If we do not employ a realist account of language (as per postmodern thinkers), what is it we can meaningfully say about this notion of 'reality' we are so fond of describing and seems to be a substitute for god?
No. Yes. Read Witty's PI as a contextual extension (rather than critical refutation or theoretical correction) of his TLP. The latter expresses only one possible language-game (re: logical atomism) out of innumerably many other language-games suggested in the former.... theory of language was not possible because it falls to the self-referential paradox that it is unable to give an account of itself.
Is this problem insurmountable or overstated?
Cite an instance when and where Newton's 3rd Law and/or any conservation laws "have been transcended" even once. :lol:The apparently inviolable constraints of physical laws have been transcended many times in the history of science. — Wayfarer
They are only "tricky" for idealists like @Wayfarer who prefer to torch strawmen – mischaracterizing a speculative paradigm such as naturalism as an explanatory theory – which is far easier to do than to demonstrate that idealism is a less ad hoc, less incoherent, less subjective paradigm than naturalism, etc. Naturalism does not explain "consciousness", yet idealism – which rationalizes folk psychological concepts (often ad absurdum) – conspicuously explains "consciousness" even less so.Discerning precisely what is meant by materialism, physicalism or naturalism can seem tricky. — Tom Storm
Unwarranted, question-begging, substance dualism as well as a reification / misplaced concreteness fallacy (à la platonism). Abstractions themselves do not "act upon matter" because they are not evental (or causal); rather instantiations (encoding / patterning) of abstractions (from matter) in matter act upon matter (e.g. typing on my keyboard these sentences you're reading on your screen), which refutes your dogma, sir, that "matter does not act but is only acted upon" (as if Newton's 3rd Law & conservation laws are violated, or miraculosly suspended, by "ideas"). :eyes: :roll:And in a broader sense, many of our intellectual processes rely on immaterial entities, such as numbers, ratios, laws, and so on. Humans are situated between two worlds, so to speak - the physical world, governed by the laws of physics, but also the world of ideas and reasons, 'the space of reasons' as it has been called. — Wayfarer
Of course, information (i.e. instantiated patterns).... has anything physical passed between us? — Wayfarer
:100: :up:We have no knowledge or experience of any immaterial entity of process. Absent evidence, reasoned argument that such may or must exist is idle speculation and leads nowhere. — Fooloso4
Not "insects" per se, but entities without nervous systems (e.g. stars, rocks, cells, atoms).Some of the materialists here get all huffy when you ask them if insects are conscious. — RogueAI
By "mind or consciousness" you're claiming, in effect, that matter is only acted upon by immateral entities or processes – is that right?Say if I suggested 'mind' or 'consciousness' as a hypothetical answer - — Wayfarer