(where X = homeostasis or health-fitness or sustainability, respectively).If X deprived of Y, then do Z in order to restore X by mitigating Y
In other words, you believe that reality is also "immaterial"? If so, how does the immaterial affect the material and vice versa?What I oppose about materialism is that it is exclusively the domain of what is real; of reality. — Bret Bernhoft
Give a couple of examples of how "we encounter and ... verify or measure" the immaterial. Thanks, Bret.By "reality" I mean that which we encounter and can verify or measure.
"Family and saving Grace" also traumatize many in various ways which drive them into a "life without purpose" of "catering to one's impulses" via incessantly "going out" to self-medicate – numb themselves – with alcohol, drugs, porn / sport-effing, gambling, conspicuous consumption, bible-thumping literalism, magical / conspiracy groupthink, gang violence, gun-fetishism, etc as a social normative corollary of living in this highly atomized – individualistic – near-sociopathic, neoliberal republic (i.e. post-war corporatocratic America).Going out and drinking and catering to one's impulses in the moment is a life without purpose. Family and saving Grace gives one's life purpose and this might be better than indulging one's impulses at the moment. — Athena
Silly projection.Good reasoning requires following some laws of logic and your post is not a good example of that. — Athena
Fermions and bosons. Nothing 'immaterial'. :roll:What are the differences between ma[tt]er and energy? — Athena
:fire: Yes! Also sounds Democritean-Epicurean (& Lucretian).Sounds rather Stoic and, therefore, preferable as such things go, to me at least. All that acts or can be acted upon are "bodies" and therefore part of Nature, or the Universe. There are different kinds of bodies, though. — Ciceronianus
:100: :fire:All materialists believe that matter moves around, right? And matter requires energy to move and interact and change directions and so forth, right?
I've never met a materialist who doesn't believe in energy. — flannel jesus
"Everything" which causes changes is material, ergo "energy" is material, no?It is mind-blowing to me that we are still materialists. Everything is energy. — Athena
How can "a beyond" the here and now provide "something better" to us within the here and now?I might be playing the same game as theism, by looking to "a beyond" for something better. — Bret Bernhoft
As a non-"materialist", what is it (ontically? epistemically?) about the material that you oppose?I am not a materialist. — Bret Bernhoft
What do you mean by "reality"?More simply, reality is mind/mental.
A physicalist would say 'mind is physical' (just as processes like digestion and vision are physical).I would say that the type of existence is ‘mental’, which just signifies a nice shorthand for ‘everything that exists is mind’; but, of course, someone could point out that existence itself is mind-independent and is ‘physical’ in that sense. — Bob Ross
So to paraphrase in Schopenhauerian terms: "everything that exists" is phenomenal, or only appearances (i.e. Representations), but "existence itself" is more-than-appearance, or noumenon (i.e. Will). :chin:... everything is mind-dependent in the sense that everything that exists is mind-dependent, but not ... existence itself, taken up as an entity itself, is mind-dependent. — Bob Ross
Here is what I actually wrote if you care to critically assess my legalistic analogy instead of ToothyMaw's "stupid" (lazy) strawman:I don't see how that's slavery. — RogueAI
:up:... another comment that made me think that the poster had not readanything in my essay[my entire, overly long, OP]. — Brendan Golledge
Mind is non-being?I do not think that 'being' unfolds from a mind, as that mind would be 'non-being' then, which makes no sense to me. — Bob Ross
Ergo, "mind (at-large)" is being?Instead, there exists, fundamentally, one mind (at-large) of which we are minds within it.
This account reminds me of Berkeley's subjective idealism (or Leibniz's monadology).This is what I thinkobjectiveidealist theories tend to purport, but of course there are theistic accounts that posit God as some sort of producer of even existence itself.
Okay, as far as it goes; but it seems to me that Occam's Razor dispenses with ad hoc – unwarranted – notions like "panpsychism" and "super-nature" .'the universe' is like a Möbius loop – an eternal cycle – wherein the topological 'twist' (ouroboros-like) corresponds to big bangs/big crunches (or white holes/black holes) Q-tunneling between bi-polar (i.e. positive-to-negative / matter-to-antimatter), quantum gravity manifolds consisting of strange-looping (or fractal-like) configurations (entropy gradients) of variable mass-energy densities ...
Okay.Well, (your) mind is nonmind-dependent unless solipsism obtains (which, of course, it does not).
—180 Proof
I don’t believe that is true at all. — Bob Ross
A typo – don't you mean "mind-dependent" instead?All that is required for idealism ... is that existence itself is mind-independent
Non sequitur... not that there exists any mind-independent entities within it.
I didn't imply or state that they were.... idealism (and solipsism I might add: not that they are similar at all) ...
Clarify what you mean by "reasonable" in this context. Thanks.completely reasonable — Bret Bernhoft
Your vacuous projection is duely noted.You aren't the only one here being stupid, but you are the worst offender — ToothyMaw
For some, I think it's a proxy for grief in their personal lives, just like it can be easier to talk to strangers about personal troubles.Why do you think this happens? — Vera Mont
I don't know, but I suspect it's more wide-spead than not.Is it confined to a related group of cultures or is it world-wide?
Nope.Do you do this yourself - follow the procession on screen, or leave flowers and messages at the site?
I haven't given it much thought.What do you think about the practice?
Nothing expect I hope it's cathartic or helps those who need such public rituals.How do you feel about it?
Dual-aspect monism is ontological whereas property dualism is epistemological; I prefer the latter but I think it's more precise to characterize Spinoza by the former.How is this not property dualism? — Bob Ross
Spinoza certainly is. I'm a compatibilist and contingentarian.Are you, then, a necessitarian?
Yes, more or less ...Since I seem to be misrepresenting you, let me just ask for clarification: are you claiming that these promises are moral facts because (1) they are mind-independent (as biologically embedded into us as organisms) and (2) also obligations? Is that the idea? — Bob Ross
Well, your quote cherry-picks its emphasis (indicative of uncharitably reading me out of context again) by missing / ignoring the following...So I am failing to see how I misrepresented you ... — Bob Ross
To suffer is also to desire help to reduce my suffering; but there are only other sufferers who can offer, and effectuate, (some) help. This desire, or need, for help, however, implicitly promises to help others to reduce their suffering. This promise is natally prior to reciprocity, contract, cooperation, etc; it's implicit, fundamental, and inheres in each of us being individual members of the same species with the same functional defects (re: physical & psychological homeostasis) which if neglected or harmed render an individual dysfunctioning or worse [...] — 180 Proof
From my study of Spinoza, by "dual-aspect" I understand there to be (at least) two complementary ways to attribute predicates – physical & mental – to any entity which exhaustively describes its functioning.I am misunderstanding what 'dual-aspect' means in your use of 'monism'. — Bob Ross
This is my shorthand for Spinoza's description of substance (i.e. natura naturans) that, among other things, consists in necessary causal relations and is unbounded (i.e. not an effect of or affected by any external causes – other substances – because it is infinite in extent).What is modal-ontological determinism?
:100: :mask:It seems clear to me that Jesus has anticipated the self-defense/just-war question: What if someone attacks me? Do not resist evil ... I don't know how you can read Jesus's teachings as anything other than total pacifism. — RogueAI
'Spirit' comes from the Latin word 'to breathe.' What we breathe is air, which is certainly matter, however thin. Despite usage to the contrary, there is no necessary implication in the word 'spiritual' that we are talking of anything other than matter (including the matter of which the brain is made), or anything outside the realm of science. On occasion, I will feel free to use the word. Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or of acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both. — Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
