:death: :flower:Living, after all, is only a distraction from dying. My life distracts me (less with each passing decade) from my death. And so it goes. C'est la vie. Amor fati.
:roll:Information isnotthe subject of physics — Wayfarer
This is among the reasons why enactivism makes more sense to me than any other account of 'experience'. :up:I don't believe experience is private, ala the private language argument — Moliere
Given that "essence" denotes that which non-impermanently makes something what is and not something else (to paraphase Plato/Aristotle(?)), why isn't there a "law of the conservation of information" like – complementary to or entailed by – the conservation of mass-energy law, for instance? Why isn't "information" (i.e. "pattern", as you say, Gnomon) conserved in physics?I have adopted the modern notion of "Information" to describe the essence of all things. — Gnomon
then your point about a "blindspot" is merely a tendentious non sequitur, MU.So "the hard problem .." is not a scientific problem like I've stated.
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No not really ... — Metaphysician Undercover
Once upon a time, when I was a high school junior, a priest had told me "Reason is for living in this world and faith is living for the world-to-come". (Some months later I recognized I'd not only lost "my faith" but also that I'd never had any "faith" whatsoever.)Personally, I refer to purposes, meaning the purpose of science is to tell me about the world. The purpose of religion is to tell me how to live in it — Hanover
The "identity" of what is "lost"? And if this is the case, then what function does "consciousness" serve? What does it do (or what do we do with it)?[W]hat is lost is identity, not consciousness. — bert1
I do not remember.How did you feel when you were unconscious?
:100: :fire: Excellent post.[R]eligion and science don't serve the same human needs. Science is the tool used to understand and manipulate matter. Organized religion (which bears only the most superficial resemblance to prehistoric or tribal ritual) is a tool used in support of stratified power structures. — Vera Mont
So while unconscious one "lacks the capacity to feel"?Consciousness is the capacity to feel. — bert1
My charitable reading of Chalmer's notion is, in my own words, 'the difficulty of scientifically demonstrating that human beings are n o t zombies'.What is the hard problem, in your own words?
I'm not a mind reader. Spell it out, sir.What is my concept? — bert1
If that's what you mean, bert, I admitted that I don't. in the preface to that old post where I disuss my understanding of awareness. So what I or @Banno don't "have the same" conceotion of awareness as you – probably because we find "your concept" unsatisfactory for one reason or another. If that's all you're saying, it's a fairly trivial, unphilosophical statement. I'm prepared to make the most reasonable case I can for my concept of awareness. Are you prepared to do tthe same? It doesn't seem to me you are, bert. :chin:If you have the same concept I have .. — bert1
I'm not a mind reader. Spell it out, sir.What do you think I mean by the word 'consciousness'? — bert1
You're misrtaken, bert. I don't avoid the concept when it's relevant to clarifying or examining another concept. Unlike you, bert, folk psychological terms like "awareness" or "consciousness" are neither fundamental nor a priori in my understand of myself, others or nature; such concepts refer to emergent properties or processes. An example from an old post that just popped-up in a TPF search. A definitional sketch to somewhat disambiguate these fuzzy folk concepts:I'm saying, reluctantly, that you lack the concept of awareness. I think you are aware. But I don't know this for sure. You both seem to avoid the concept. — bert1
We are embodied phenomenal-selves (i.e. metacognitive agents), riders on the storm :fire:• pre-awareness = attention (orientation)
• awareness = perception (experience)
• adaptivity = intelligence (error-correcting heurstic problem-solving)
• self-awareness = [re: phenomenal-self modeling ]
• awareness of self-awareness = consciousness — 180 Proof
Aristotle uses the term akrasia instead. I think foolery is more apt.Would I be correct if I said praxis is the stumbling block ... — Agent Smith
Socratics (e.g. Plato et al) called these persuaders "sophists". Today, I suppose, we call them "lawyers, politicians, preachers, propagandists, public relations agents, advertisers, influencers, brokers, pundits, gurus, psycho-analysts / therapists, fortune tellers, conspiracy theorists ..."Philosophy as persuasion may be shallow as it is with another end in mind rather than an open approach to where the philosophy quest may lead. — Jack Cummins
... which is only a "problem" for philosophers and not for neuroscientists.... the obvious fact that first-person consciousness cannot be captured by third-person science — Wayfarer
I remember,” someone said, “how in ancient times one could turn a wolf into a human and then lecture it to one's heart's content.
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In their effort to divorce language and experience, deconstructionist critics remind me of middle-class parents who do not allow their children to play in the street.
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Poetry is an orphan of silence.
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For Emily Dickinson every philosophical idea was a potential lover. Metaphysics is the realm of eternal seduction of the spirit by ideas.
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At some point my need for a solution was replaced by the poetry of my continuous failure.
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Making art in America is about saving one's soul.
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Dear Friedrich, the world's still false, cruel and beautiful... — Charles Simic 1938-2023
... a system that supports a nefarious and privileged few, who live off the sweat and toil of the majority ...
My own early life experience is one of the foundational reasons that I am a socialist and secular humanist. — universeness
So you believe DINO is the best we – humanity – can do? :chin:I do not want to blame anyone for this economic disparity because I can not think of how things could have been done better. — Athena
I think, instead, it is the most important part. Just as science is, overall, reasoning to better, more probitive (parsimonious) explanations, philosophy is reasoning to better, more probative (unbegged) questions. An answer, especially a speculative one, is just a question's way of generating (i.e. usually re-formulating it into) a new, or different, question. Thus, 'the gadfly's' examined life. :fire:Forming questions is an important part of philosophy. — Jack Cummins
:up: :up:Gassendi1 his name was. He was a prick but I learned a lot from him. He really added argumentative quality to the forum as well as knowledge of hard nosed analytical philosophy, something that the forum lacks nowadays. — Tobias
:chin: :smirk:All this to say it's high time neuroscience takes thinking as seriously as musicologists take music. No musicologist worth the name would use orchestra heat scans to explore Mozart. — Olivier5
:up: (i.e. metacognitive confabulists!)Yes, we are very good at lying to ourselves. — Olivier5
:fire: :up:Now, when you reflect on your own mental events, you're not doing so real time, you're doing so milliseconds (sometimes more) after they happened. So you, in reflection, are just like the third party looking at a P-zombie. You don't know for sure what just happened and could be wrong about it. You tell a story. — Isaac
... just the same old superstition.I'm not talking about religions — TheMadMan
:sweat:... to figuratively demonstrate the difference between 180's worldview and my own. — Gnomon
I'm no Kantian but an "anomaly" revealed by our model represents a limit or an inconsistency of our model rather than an "anomaly in itself" (whatever that means).What is an anomaly? — Agent Smith
It only "demands" that we update our model.Why does it beg/demand for an explanation?
Same reason, I guess, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs ... and ... (N+1) system-states > (1) system-state in a non/linear dynamic system. :fire:... why was the early universe in a low entropy state? — Agent Smith
