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  • Hawking and Unnecessary Breathing of Fire into Equations
    I'm after a model of what's 'out there' that stands up to rational analysis ... — noAxioms
    Well, my point about was that Hawking is that he does not to assume "objective realism" but model-dependent realism. I don't know what you mean by "rational analysis" here; care to elaborate?

    As far "out there" ontology, I think the best we can do rationally is determine – derive – what necesarily cannot be "out there", that is, cannot be real (e.g. impossible objects, impossible versions of the world, impossible worlds). I suppose, noAxiom, what's "out there" depends on what you/we mean by real. By all means, if my speculation (link) does not suffice, propose an alternative "model".
  • Pantheism
    ↪Agent Smith
    Not "funny", just absurd. :death: :flower:
  • Logic and Disbelief
    ↪Gnomon
    :rofl: Yes, you & the Woo-Crew quote the likes of Rovelli, Stenger, Carroll, Deutsch, Hawking, Feynman et al without the slightest comprehension of what they say. I wear your Dunning-Kruger ad hominems, sir, as badges of honor. :clap:
  • Logic and Disbelief
    ↪Agent Smith
    :smirk:
    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof
    :point:
    ↪180 Proof

    It is with sadness that every so often I spend a few hours on the internet, reading or listening to the mountain of stupiditie dressed up with the word 'quantum'. Quantum medicine; holistic quantum theories of every kind, mental quantum spiritualism – and so on, and on, in an almost unbelievable parade of quantum nonsense. — Carlo Rovelli, Hegoland, pp. 159-60

    ↪Gnomon
    ↪Enrique
    ↪Wayfarer
    et al.
    (re: TPF's Quantum-Woo Crew :sparkle:)
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    It is with sadness that every so often I spend a few hours on the internet, reading or listening to the mountain of stupidities dressed up with the word 'quantum'. Quantum medicine; holistic quantum theories of every kind, mental quantum spiritualism – and so on, and on, in an almost unbelievable parade of quantum nonsense. — Carlo Rovelli
  • What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview?
    ↪Paine
    So what does that have to do with what I've written? My comments address the practical historical consequences of what I call "technocapitalist progress" and not theoretical (laissez-faire?) capitalism. Thus, :chin: – your reply is non sequitur, Paine.
  • Talking prolife issue with a priest.
    His emphasis seemed to be on human DNA and less on sentients and the soul. — TiredThinker
    So no haircuts, no claipping toenails, no sneezing or spitting, no bleeding, no fellatio or cunny (even in marriage :yikes: ), no "just war" (re: Catholic Catechism – 2309), etc ... because "human DNA" is sacred? :pray: :roll:
  • What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview?
    ↪Paine
    I don't understand your post to which I replird with that emoticon.
  • Pantheism
    ↪Agent Smith
    I think they are right. "Sacred cows" are forms of idolatry and encourage superstition. Read Epicurus / Lucretius. Read Spinoza. Read Tom Paine. Reaf Zapffe / Camus . Read Clèment Rosset. :fire:
  • What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview?
    ↪Paine
    :chin:
  • Do Human Morals require a source or are they inherent to humanity and it’s evolution?
    ↪David S
    I suspect, as with other higher-order metacognitions, h. sapiens are born with an aptitude for making moral judgments and for which degrees of competence can be learned through the vagueries of neonatal-childhood development and maturating life experiences.

    I elaborate more in this old post ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/699762
  • Hawking and Unnecessary Breathing of Fire into Equations
    objective realism — noAxioms
    As opposed to "subjective realism"? :chin:

    Btw, I suspect you know that Hawking proposes model-dependent realism to get around astute objections like yours, noAxioms.
  • What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview?
    ↪Bret Bernhoft

    What motivates the neo-Luddite worldview? Disenfranchisement. — Banno
    Alienation, comrade – compunded by anthropogenic climate change, technocapitalist "progress" (re: automation) is politically incompatible with global population growth (re: maximizing surplus labor). It seems to me that various anti-modern, anti-tech movements such as Greens & Neo-Luddites for at least the last half-century or so have mostly ignored the other driver of (mass) alienation which is overpopulation.
  • The Standard(s) for the Foundation Of Knowledge
    ↪Alkis Piskas
    You're missing the forest for the trees. Also, I referred to Neurath's Boat (re: anti-foundationalism
    ↪180 Proof
    ) and not the "Ship of Theseus" (re: identity-in-change). Clearly, you ignored the links I'd provided, so why bother with your uninformed, lazy reply to my initial post? :roll:

    ↪Hello Human
    Good questions. Read all three links provided for a contextual summary of how knowledge without "certainty" – anti-foundationalism – works in practice.
  • Deep Songs


    "Trust My Baby" (2:41)
    The Real Folk Blues, 1966 (song released 1960)
    Sonny Boy Williamson II



    "Checkin' Up On My Baby" (1:53)
    The Real Folk Blues, 1966 (song released 1960)
    Sonny Boy Williamson II

    So you
    raise your window
    so I can
    ease out
    soft and slow ..


    "One Way Out" (2:44)
    The Real Folk Blues, 1966 (song released 1962)
    Sonny Boy Williamson II
  • What are you listening to right now?
    "Yesterday it was my birthday
    I hung one more year on the line
    I should be depressed,
    my life's a mess ...."



    "Have a Good Time" (3:26)
    Still Crazy After All These Years, 1975
    Paul Simon
  • How To Cut Opinions Without Tears
    ↪Amity
    I usually don't know what I think until I speak – don't ever "shut up" that beautiful mind of yours.
  • Cracks in the Matrix
    Are psychic abilities and/or paranormal events real? — dclements
    Insoafar as there is corroborable evidence, they are; lacking corroborable evidence, they are not (i.e. indistinguishible from fictions).
  • The Standard(s) for the Foundation Of Knowledge
    ↪Alkis Piskas
    And, with respect to "foundationalism" (OP), what's your point?
  • How To Cut Opinions Without Tears
    ↪Amity
    You've answered your own questions to your satisfaction it seems (with wikis, etc), so, as Plato's Socrates might have done, I'll leave it there.
  • Pantheism
    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof
    ...

    Pan-a-theism: The assumption that everything – nature – is godless; therefore, inviolable (i.e. sacred).

    :fire: :eyes:
  • Gender, Sexuality and Its Expression
    ↪Jack Cummins
    I think binary-gender norming is inherently autocratic / theocratic / corporatocratic and is, therefore, incompatible with – subverted by – decentralizing, stakeholder-controlling social arraangenents (e.g. economic democracy, libertarian socialism, etc).
  • Gender, Sexuality and Its Expression
    ↪Jack Cummins
    Biology (sex ~ one's junk at birth) is impersonal and psycho-sociology (how one libidinally relates-represents one's junk to other individuals (sexuality) and groups (gender)) "constructs" the personal. The existential trauma of binary-gender norming is more acute for those for whom conforming to binary-gender norms in a given historical social situation is both oppressive and self-harming.
  • Why is monogamy an ideal?
    So how did monogamy become an ideal for our species? — Tate
    Acculturation: "monogamy" creates an artificial scarcity that, like prohibitions (i.e. social ideals/idols) of other consensual behaviors, monetizes sex aka "prostitution". :pray:

    What does this imply about the human psyche in terms of our power to override biology?
    Only that the neocortex "overrides" (i.e. exploits) the limbic system by commodifying human practices, bodies, offspring ...
  • Science as Metaphysics
    ↪javi2541997
    And the point is ...?
  • Science as Metaphysics
    Metaphysics only interprets physics, therefore it is not "science". :yawn:
  • If Death is the End (some thoughts)
    :fire:
    Death is nothing to us. When we exist, death is not; and when death exists, we are not.  — Epicurus
    What you find hateful [harmful], do not do to anyone. — Hillel the Elder
    A free man thinks of death least of all things, and his wisdom is a meditation not of death but of life. — Spinoza
    Carpe diem! Non serviam. Sapere aude. Amor fati ....Memento mori, memento vivere. :death: :flower:
  • Science as Metaphysics
    This seems a gross oversimplification that does justice to neither. — Pantagruel
    Maybe; but
    ↪180 Proof
    is also true.

    An hour later a scientist reads the measurement - his reading doesn't mystically create an answer. — jgill
    :100:
  • Science as Metaphysics
    You don't make a case for "science as metaphysics" – besides, the phrase seems incoherent insofar as the latter consists of categorical statements (ideas) and the former hypothetical propositions (explanations). :chin:
  • The Mold Theory of Person Gods
    ↪Art48
    :up:
  • The Real Meaning of the Gospel
    In considering the afterlife to be high value, it isn't nihilistic — Agent Smith
    Since whether or not there is an "afterlife" is unknowable, I think investing more, or all, value in the merely imaginable instead of in this life is literally to value nothing. As Freddy remind us
    ... man would rather will nothingness than not will — On the Geneaology of Morals, Third Essay
  • Do you realize ...
    ↪Agent Smith
    The "PoE" belongs to poly/heno/mono/pan-en/pan-theism (re: The Riddle of Epicurus) and is not raised by deism, pandeism or acosmism.
  • What is the simplest example of entropy?
    ↪TiredThinker
    Time doesn't "run" at all ... Rather, the universe expands – dissipates – as the cosmic thermodynamic gradient (i.e. "arrow of time").
  • Do you realize ...
    [E]veryone hates God — Agent Smith
    e.g. Pandeists. don't. :smirk:
  • The Reminder
    ... only atom rearranging in void ...
  • Where is it?
    Yet, the good life still seems elusive to many.

    So why do so few practice science?     — Yohan
    "Everything excellent is as difficult as it is rare." ~Spinoza

    So where is logic in society?
    Conventions, norms, customs, taboos, discursive practices, institutional facts, markets, burial grounds, plumbing ... :mask:
  • The Real Meaning of the Gospel
    ↪Ciceronianus
    :fire:

    ↪Fooloso4
    :up:
  • The Real Meaning of the Gospel
    I like to think that the gospel is an attempt at helping people come to terms with their own existential angst that they experience; it is a statement against nihilism. — Dermot Griffin
    On the contrary, the (canonical) Gospels are statements for nihilism insofar as they instruct us to prepare for "the resurrection" and "end of days" which, as Nietzche points out, places all value in "the afterlife" at the expense of completely devaluing – nihilating – this life, this world, nature. In other words, 'our (your) existence here and now is meaningless in comparison to the existence to come.' Escape from "existential angst" by denying, rather than affirming, existence – how the Shepherd pacifies the sheep into bleeting happily on their way to slaughter. :mask:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    @NOS4A2

    Mealwhile on Earth Prime .... :rofl:
  • NDEs video and implications.
    Being alive is a "NDE", then you die.

    ↪jgill
    :up:
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