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  • Please help me here....
    :clap: :fire:
    Ah yes, Landru Guide Us – Wayfarer's kissing cousin! – I remember his many p0m0, woo-of-the-gaps well. :smirk:
  • Future Belief - New Age vs Atheism (wrt Psychedelics, Quantum Theory, Reality, Karma, Consciousness)
    When challenged by a "true believer" to say what i "believe in", since I reject their "One True God", I often just quote Isaac Asimov: "I believe in evidence." :fire:
    I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.
  • Superdeterminism?
    I think appealing to physics for human choices is to fantastically stretch the scope of physics.Manuel
    :up:
  • Please help me here....
    "Idealism" begins with reifying abstract objects / ideas (i.e. misplaced concreteness / reification fallacies at the level of assumptions) perhaps due to developmental vestiges of magical thinking (i.e. what I/god(s) say / believe is reality ~ "Adamic speech"), that is, a self-serving/flattering bias (e.g. "Credo ut intelligam."). Platonism, etc are, IMO, brilliant rationalizations of such atavistic, cognitive biases, which are endemic to all metacognitive practices, including philosophy.
  • Superdeterminism?
    As an (self-styled) Epicurean-Spinozist, ergo compatibilist, I'm not troubled by "superdeterminism". Maybe this article, TiredThinker, you'll find useful:
    Does Quantum Mechanics Rule Out Free Will?
    Superdeterminism, a radical quantum hypothesis, says our “choices” are illusory

    March 10, 2022

    A conjecture called superdeterminism, outlined decades ago, is a response to several peculiarities of quantum mechanics: the apparent randomness of quantum events; their apparent dependence on human observation, or measurement; and the apparent ability of a measurement in one place to determine, instantly, the outcome of a measurement elsewhere, an effect called nonlocality.

    Einstein, who derided nonlocality as “spooky action at a distance,” insisted that quantum mechanics must be incomplete; there must be hidden variables that the theory overlooks. Superdeterminism is a radical hidden-variables theory proposed by physicist John Bell. He is renowned for a 1964 theorem, now named after him, that dramatically exposes the nonlocality of quantum mechanics.

    Bell said in a BBC interview in 1985 that the puzzle of nonlocality vanishes if you assume that “the world is superdeterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, but with our behavior, including our belief that we are free to choose to do one experiment rather than another, absolutely predetermined.”

    [ ... ]
    — John Horgan, SciAm_Opinion
    And the rest of the article is here:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-quantum-mechanics-rule-out-free-will/
  • Future Belief - New Age vs Atheism (wrt Psychedelics, Quantum Theory, Reality, Karma, Consciousness)

    In any case, IMO, Dawkins embarrasses himself with such unnuanced and shallow misreadings of philosophy as well as (biblical) theology, and is not taken very seriously outside of evolutionary biology.180 Proof
    I stand by this excerpt of an old post, but I'm open to any reasonable defense of Dawkins as 'thinker' (not as scientist).
  • Future Belief - New Age vs Atheism (wrt Psychedelics, Quantum Theory, Reality, Karma, Consciousness)
    Ask the religious. They don't "believe in goober" for the sake of argument / discussion. :roll:

    I can't speak for Dawkins, only for my own 'godlessness – theory & practice': memento mori and memento vivere, respectively.
  • Please help me here....
    Yeah, but his notion of "paper doubts" is germaine here (re: Descartes).
  • Please help me here....
    In my view, the key development is secular rationality, escape from superstition.Pie
    :100:

    'Idealism' seems to be parasitic on some notion of the real world (in which there is a vat of some kind) even as it attacks this notion.Pie
    :fire:

    :up: This circles back to Descartes not having grounds to "doubt everything" in the first place (Peirce, Wittgenstein).
  • Please help me here....
    How is it that an idealist can conclude that there are other minds?

    Either idealism entails solipsism, or it doesn't.
    If idealism does entail solipsism, then idealism is merely one form of solipsism. Hence, in order to show that idealism is not merely a form of solipsism, any mooted idealist must show that other minds exist.
    Banno
    :smirk:
  • Future Belief - New Age vs Atheism (wrt Psychedelics, Quantum Theory, Reality, Karma, Consciousness)
    I used to consider myself a positive (or gnostic) atheist for decades and I don't recall ever having "faith" in either "scientific materialism" or "logical positivism". The phrase "atheistic faiths" is patently oxymoronic. Besides, a 'working assumption' (e.g. scientific materialism) is not synonymous with 'faith in mysteries' (or miracles or magic or supernatural entities). Apples and oranges. Your incoherent preface, sir, discourages me from even watching your video. :confused:
  • Ukraine Crisis
    A simplified distillation of Vlad's pizdets debacle on the home front (and implied prospects for his regime):

    Maybe this long thread has covered the salient points raised in this video but I haven't read the last 150-200 posts, so someone tell me what this presentation gets wrong. Jives well with my (simplified) reckoning of Russia's accelerating insolvancy. :victory: :smirk:
  • Deep Songs

    "Riders on the Storm" (6:13)
    Need For Speed Underground 2, 2004
    writers The Doors, 1971
    performers Jim Morrison, feat. Snoop Dogg (Fredwreck Remix)

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/724942 :point: :sparkle:
  • What are you listening to right now?

    "I Wish It Would Rain" (2:49)
    Wish It Would Rain, 1967
    The Temptations

    *


    "Rainy Day Women" #12 & 35 (4:35)
    Blond On Blond, 1966
    Bob Dylan

    *


    "Fool in the Rain" (6:08)
    In Through the Outdoor, 1979
    Led Zeppelin

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/724811 :victory: :joke:
  • Deep Songs
    If the rain comes
    They run and hide their heads
    They might as well be dead
    If the rain comes
    If the rain comes

    When the sun shines
    They slip into the shade
    And sip their lemonade
    When the sun shines
    When the sun shines

    Rain
    I don't mind
    Shine
    The weather's fine

    I can show you
    That when it starts to rain
    Everything's the same
    I can show you
    I can show you

    Rain
    I don't mind
    Shine
    The weather's fine

    Can you hear me?
    That when it rains and shines
    It's just a state of mind
    Can you hear me?
    Can you hear me?

    Sdeah reiht edih dna nur yeht
    Semoc niar eht fi
    Niar
    Senihs nus

    "Rain" (3:02)
    The Beatles Rock Bank Custom DLC, 2020
    writers Lennon-McCartney, 1966
    The Beatles
  • Whither the Collective?
    There are no sages, only lesser fools!Agent Smith
    :fire:
  • Whither the Collective?
    :fire:


    Try Rawls, Hobbes, Rousseau.Benkei
    & D. Schweickart, R. Dahl, M. Bookchin ...

    Not just "ignorance" (inexperienced? uneducated? the illusion of knowledge?) ...
    ... philosophy [is] about folly (i.e. being unwise) – how to reduce foolery, how to unlearn foolish habits.180 Proof
  • Does Virtue = Wisdom ?
    Perhaps eupraxia rather than episteme (of arete)? Reflective practice, not just "knowledge"?

    The 4 cardinal virtues:

    1. Sophia/Prudentia
    2. Fortitudo
    3. Iustitia
    4. Temperantia

    Are these 4 virtues internally consistent?
    Agent Smith
    They seem a compatible, even complementary, quartet.
  • Please help me here....
    So what's a skeptical atheist to do?GLEN willows
    "Skeptical" of what? (Atheism?)

    All solipsism is a form of idealism, idealism need not be solipsist at all.Manuel
    :up:

    Idealism holds that for a statement to be true it must stand in some relation to mind - observed, known, believed, or whatever. So is "There are other minds" true for idealism? If it is true, then it stands in some relation to mind... but which one? If it stands in a relation to a mind other than one's own, then that is profoundly problematic for idealism. Hence the need for god to hold things together.

    Idealism's relation to truth is... incoherent.
    Banno
    :fire:
  • Please help me here....
    My 2 drachmas:
    By idealism I understand 'only minds and ideas (or what we is known) are real.' Ontology reduced to epistemology. (Related to 'antirealism', 'essentialism' (e.g. universals), immaterialism / nonphysicalism / supernaturalism, 'social constructionism', 'common sensism', 'moral subjectivism / relativism / nihilism', ''finalism', 'existentialism', metaphysical libertarianism, etc.)

    By solipsism I understand 'only my mind and my ideas (or what I know) are real.' Ontology without epistemology. (Reductio ad absurdum of idealism)
  • James Webb Telescope

    I'm surprised there aren't more frequent micrometeor strikes on satellites and space craft given that the (inner) Solar System is a veritable debris field.
  • Trouble with Impositions
    For example, once certain people decided that the way to end their suffering was to kill all the Jews.baker
    Why was that maladaptive? Why were they mistaken?baker
    As I wrote in the post you only half-quoted:
    Short-term efficacy – scapegoating, genocide – at the expense of long-term sustainability (i.e. forming habits / institutions for 'othering' even their own because (some believe) "that is a way to end their suffering").180 Proof
    So if you still have to ask, baker ... :brow:

    Maybe so, but I neither claim nor implied it could be, so I don't see the relevance of your remark.
  • Rules and Exceptions
    If your quote of my post isn't clear enough, my apologies, Smith, but I can't make my meaning (& parentheticals) any clearer.
  • The unexplainable
    One non-explaining activity of the philosopher is just that of calling attention to this or that aspect of world.Pie
    :up:
  • Is the mind divisible?
    No doubt, words both of us can profit from in circumstances such as this ...
    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. — Mark Twain
  • Is the mind divisible?
    Your "students" have my sincerest sympathies. :lol:
  • Is the mind divisible?
    As I understand it, lots of philosophers simply make what is already going on explicit. They foreground what in retrospect was haunting the background.Pie
    :fire: :up:
  • What are the "parts" of an event?
    An object is composed of parts to the degree they could be elements located elsewhere. An event is composed of parts to the degree they could be located elsewhen.apokrisis
    (Re: ontological locality) :up:
  • Is the mind divisible?
    So you can't refute Plato's reasoning for a tripart soul (i.e. divisible mind). Of course you can't; I just wanted to confirm that. Thanks, Bratshitz! :up:

    Democrtius' reason told him over two thousand years ago that divisible extended things are made up of tiny indivisible extended things and that therefore extended things are not, as it is possible to imagine they are, infinitely divisible.Janus
    :100: :smirk:

    (Also corroborated by quantum physics (of which, of course, Bratshitz, is also demonstably ignorant) ).
  • On beautiful and sublime.
    The truth is, we do not know the truth of what happens when we die, and so Socrates turns to myths. The myths are intended to "charm away" their fears and to persuade them to live just lives.Fooloso4
    :fire:
  • Eat the poor.
    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."
    ~Warren Buffet (2006)

    Interview 2015:


    and Thomas Piketty (synopsis)



    I'm an economic democrat, so ... :mask:
  • What are the "parts" of an event?
    What do events reduce to?IJosh Alfred
    Discontinuities (i.e. quanta).
  • Is the mind divisible?

    If mind is indivisible, how come I am one, you, the reader, are one, so on and so forth?Agent Smith
    :up:

    Typically, objects change their states by rearranging their parts in some way. But for a partless immaterial soul, I'm struggling to understand how such a thing could support different states. How can it change?bert1
    :clap:

    2. My mind is not divisibleBartricks
    :sweat:

    How do you square "mind is not divisible" with Socrates'/Plato's idea (which is based on reason alone)?
    From the fact that one can be affected by two or more desires simultaneously, he infers that the soul (psyche) cannot be unitary, since it is impossible for the same thing to act in opposite ways at the same time (there are obvious affinities here with the logical principle of non-contradiction, which Plato learned from Socrates [c. 470–399 b.c.e.]). Accordingly, in the Republic he identifies three distinct parts of the soul (psyche) — reason (nous), passion (thumos), and appetite (epithumia) — and posits these as the source of conflicting desires (IV, 439d–e). Reason rules over the soul with wisdom, but opposed to it is appetite, the irrational part of the soul "with which it loves, hungers, thirsts, and feels the flutter and titillation of other desires" (439d).
    source: https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/philosophy-mind-ancient-and-medieval
  • The unexplainable
    Since philosophy is abour truth ...Agent Smith
    Is it? I thought philosophy's about folly (i.e. being unwise) – how to reduce foolery, how to unlearn foolish habits. :chin:
  • Rules and Exceptions
    You mean self-contradictory?Agent Smith
    No. Like I wrote, "equivalent to a tautology" (i.e. self-repetitive, lacks information) because a "rule without exception" is inapplicable (i.e. applied in every case is, in effect, applied in no case).

    :up: