What is this thing that Bob paid for? We could call it form. In the world of art, form goes hand in hand with its brother: content. Form is actual shapes molded into the clay. It's the technique that shows up, the style, whether medieval or modern. The content is something beyond the form: it's the meaning of the statue, which doesn't have to be something that can be put into words, although it could be. In the case of a statue, the content could be the way it makes us feel. — frank
What is this thing that Bob paid for? — frank
I don't think the statue is really attached to the clay in terms of form and content. Although it is true that Bob went to a potter, a statue can be made of different material, such as marble or gold. — javi2541997
What is this thing that Bob paid for? We could call it form. In the world of art, form goes hand in hand with its brother: content. Form is actual shapes molded into the clay. — frank
I don't think the Greeks shared the conception of self-organization that is associated with modern biological theory. — Wayfarer
You're saying Bob paid for the form, not the clay. It sounds like you're saying we can separate the two — frank
As you say, the same form can appear with different materials. — frank
But where is the form if it's separate? In a special realm? In people's minds? — frank
Why is this a curious question for you? — I like sushi
I can only say that form is mind-dependent, and I agree with you. — javi2541997
In The Origin of the Work of Art, Heidegger critiques the idea that form and content can be treated separately, as though form were something imposed on a thing, or content were ‘beyond’ form and style. — Joshs
I think both form and content are missing from the blob Bob received. — frank
How are the clay and the statue related? — frank
A pile of building materials is not a house. — LuckyR
The blob is still a form and generates content for Bob. — Nils Loc
In an aleatoric process, forms are discovered, not created. Or they're "created" by being discovered and used in new ways. — jkop
I am lucky enough to live in the house I remade for myself. So, both made and found. The 'made' is also a matter of finding in regard to what I could afford. — Paine
But it is very difficult to find an example where forms are discovered, not created. — javi2541997
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