They should leave behind the notion that the least bad is the best choice for independents. Cause none can predict the future, and what you make the least bad right now, in the future it may turn into the worst choice. — Eros1982

This is really silly.

Trump withdrew US from the Paris Climate Treaty. But there are many moral dilemmas pertaining to the Democrats now that I think it — Eros1982

Trump is still absolutely terrible on the environment. If it’s something you truly care about, this issue alone is motive enough for keeping him from office. That happens to mean pushing a button for Harris— fine. But to claim one should throw away one’s vote (which is all that is) or not vote at all is literally insane, given the professed values.

And most of your claims amount BLM, etc., are straight from right-wing media. Worth analyzing.

In some of these articles you get the impression that all white and old men hate women — Eros1982

Well then your impression is wrong. I’m sure sexism exists, but this cartoon version won’t get you anywhere.

If that is the case, aren't there any moral dilemmas for people who will vote/support/sponsor a party that bets in divisions simply because it loves power? — Eros1982

So targeting different demographics is surprising to you? Have you been living on Mars?

“Bets in divisions.” Right— and it’s somehow the Democrats that should give us pause over this. Not the fact that Trump and his MAGA slaves have single-handedly polarized this country to levels not seen since the civil war, targeting young men, rural people, evangelicals, whites, and the elderly— along with the usual sexists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, and xenophobes that have become a fixture.

But yeah, targeting single women is the real problem.

Brazil Blocks X

Good. Fuck Elon Musk and his fake free speech absolutism. The same guy who caved to Modi and is now suing advertisers he once said could “go fuck themselves” and “Don’t advertise” to is now crying about not being allowed to manipulate an entire country with his right-wing propaganda.

All the brain-dead teenagers will be outraged I’m sure. Now they can pretend to care about free speech and be victims at the same time. Cool.

Many women will say that men hate Democrats only because they love equality more than Republicans — Eros1982

I’ve never heard one woman say that. Bullshit strawman.

Climate models have long predicted that a warming world would lead to higher humidity, because warmer air evaporates more water from Earth’s surface and can hold more moisture. The consequences of more humid heat include greater stress on the human body, increased odds of more extreme rainfall, warmer nights and higher cooling demand.
With only a few days left in meteorological summer, defined as June to August, this summer is on track to be the most humid in the United States in 85 years of recordkeeping based on observations of dew point — a measure of humidity — compiled by Hudson Valley meteorologist Ben Noll. It’s also likely to end up being the most humid summer globally, Alaska-based climate scientist Brian Brettschneider said in an email to The Washington Post.
If both trends hold, then five of the most humid summers in both the United States and worldwide will have occurred since 1998

—WaPo

Yeah, it always struck me as funny how Trump gets credit for his ad libs and general off-script remarks. The truth is he sucks at it; he’s an awful speaker. Mostly incoherent, and almost always the same lines, 99% of which are lies (“the country is going to hell, everything is being destroyed”). It’s easier to talk extemporaneously when you can make things up, unbound by reality.

In any case, I hope he continues doing it.

I see NOS is talking in circles again. Don’t look for consistency, folks— there’s no principles to discern. It’s pure political tribalism. When it’s something Trump does, they will find a way to make it fit into their worldview, no matter how contradictory.

So now Trump is pushing for being the “best on women’s reproductive rights”— :rofl: — because he’s losing in the polls and it’s generally an issue they’re being crushed on. If he had any principles or soul whatsoever (or any balls), he’d be calling for a national ban on the murdering of babies (which is what these nutjobs actually believe). But there’s no chance of that. Instead he’ll mumble some nonsense and his ass-kissing slaves like our resident Trumper and Ayn Rand devotee will endlessly defend it, pretending it all makes perfect sense.

Don’t waste too much time on it.

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In other news: Harris has her first interview tomorrow. I think she should do several interviews, not just one big one. Too easy for Fox News to demonize if even the slightest phrasing is off.

“This will go down in history as #Beyoncegate“

:lol:

24 hours later: totally forgotten.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVtSjmMXkAAoYrC?format=jpg&name=medium

Just to quell any speculation, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I join Donald Trump on an electoral ticket. Our positions on certain fundamental issues, our approaches to governance, and our philosophies of leadership
could not be further apart.

— The integrity and independence candidate.

a communist whose ideology has killed more people than all religions combined. — BitconnectCarlos

As compared to a capitalist, whose ideology has killed and enslaved about 10x as many.

Lost it when he said that his approach to climate change was to leave it to the free market. — Mr Bee

The free market. The deus ex machina of all crypto-plutocrats. That wonderful abstract bullshit reason given whenever you don’t want the government to regulate your pet industry.

The free market. Doesn’t exist, but the closer we get to it, the worse things become. Probably the stupidest concept there is— but so many people believe in it as if it were God. Another one of those indicators you can use to determine just he how big of an idiot you interlocutor is — as soon as they bust that one out, you know. That and “the climate is always changing” :lol:

Yeah. I at least applaud that he takes climate change as the existential threat that it is. Maybe that brings some sanity to the Republicans, if only at the margins. Otherwise he’s useless.

I suspect the Clint Eastwood spaghetti series might qualify. Just me. — jgill

I like some of those too, but I was looking for a year.

highly unlikely she is doing anything other than using the DNC as a free advertising platform for her book. — Baden

True— but money-grubbing conservatives existed during Romney and McCain’s and Bush and Reagan’s time too. Didn’t see them at the DNC. Then again, those guys weren’t (rightfully) demonized like Trump is.

I don’t pay much mind to the theatrics. The whole convention is ridiculous. And I have costal real estate to sell to anyone who gets teary-eyed over these speeches.

So RFK will drop out on Friday, and will endorse Trump. Big surprise.

Shows what a spineless weirdo he always has been, and now solidifies his place as having one of the worst judgments in history.

I don't think I have ever seen a UK Tory saying "I'm still a conservative, but please vote Labour this time, because our leader is a corrupt and destructive person." — unenlightened

It’s not typical to have your former press Secretary tell people to vote against you, no. Even in this country. Trump is just that awful.

First, Trump can only campaign on lies, insults and exaggerations, because they are his only weapons. Second, Biden’s economic record is better than the previous administration. — Wayfarer

True.

:up: I get it. Trump bring re-elected would be a disaster. I very much hope he loses and will be voting against him. But I still very much dislike these silly conventions. Compared to the RNC, it’s boring. But that’s a compliment.

powerful and poignant speech — Wayfarer

Sorry buddy— I just don’t see it. Most of these speeches are lame. But it doesn’t really matter.

DNC Convention. Boring, but Dems have bigger stars than the Republicans — and the Repubs hate that. Trump most of all— hence the endless talk about crowd size and fantasizing about a Taylor Swift endorsement (she’ll endorse Harris).

Dems have Swift and Beyonce — GOP have Hulk Hogan and Chachi. There’s a drop-off here.

We had to turn away lots of people yesterday in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, but Comrade Kamala Harris’ Social Media Operation showed empty seats, long before the Rally started, early in the afternoon when, in actuality, we had to turn away 11,500 people! She’s a Crooked Radical Left Politician, and always will be! Everything she touches turns bad, just like California, and San Francisco before it - as is the case with all Marxists. She should have never been Vice President, and had to stage a COUP of Joe Biden, with her America-hating friends, Barrack Hussein Obama, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, and the rest. Comrade Kamala is a STONE COLD LOSER, she will FAIL and, if she doesn’t, our Country will cease to exist as we know it, turning into a Communist, Crime Ridden Garbage Dump.

So here’s my question: is this satire, or is this what the former president wrote on his social media platform?

“Garbage Dump” :rofl:

Phil Donohue

Another one off the list.

Price controls are an excellent idea. Harris keeps surprising me. If she keeps this up, she’ll win easily. The fact that every moronic armchair political analyst and both CNN and Fox News are screaming against it — are all great signs that she’s on the right track.

Maybe stop reading — and regurgitating — the Daily Mail.

Several of your numbers are wrong, and it’s obvious to any reader that you’ve bought into the tired right-wing talking point about debt and spending — which you’ll only hear about when it’s a Democrat in office. Never mind that Trump jacked up the debt as well — by trillions.

My eyes glaze over whenever I see your name, Xtrix. — NOS4A2

Whenever you see my previous screen name? :lol:
Even your jabs don’t make sense.

No good questions — NOS4A2

They can’t all be on the level of reading the NY Post for my opinions and then trolling on an Internet forum with stupid questions like “are you all upset?” That level of genius is monopolized.

Is the troll still talking? :yawn:

Trolls asking troll questions. :yawn:

I get your point, but toxicity in general is important. As @Benkei pointed out, the cause is mostly the same: profits over people. So the rate at which we’re killing insects alone is alarming. Fertility rates are down too— there’s not overwhelming evidence that this is due to pesticides and the like, but there’s some that points in that direction.

Anyway— yeah, also important. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. The framing of climate change being “ethereal,” or somehow far away and less real, in contrast to pollution and toxins, is ridiculous. We should be alarmed about both.

Harris and Walz will turn the country communist “immediately, if not sooner.”

Just a very stable genius, with the best words.

obfuscates the very real, short-term health risks that everybody ignores. — Tzeentch

Who’s ignoring it? I hear about things like PFAS and microplastics and pesticides, etc., all the time. So I suppose that’s “alarmism” as well.

But of course there’s real, short-term health risks of climate change too. Like dying in a wildfire or starving from draught’s impact on food — or flooding, or heat stroke. And so forth. I don’t see how one can ignore these things and claim ii’s ethereal. It’s at least as real and important as toxicity.

Co-ops are communist. Think of it that way. Far closer to anything in the USSR or China.

Simplified a bit, but it’s one way to think of the matter if it’s a struggle to get your mind around.

ethereal 'climate change' — Tzeentch

clearly discernible causes — Tzeentch

It’s not ethereal— it’s overwhelmingly supported by evidence, and also happening all around us. The effects are at least as obvious (if not more so) than toxicity (which is also not ethereal).

The causes are also very clearly discernible: greenhouse gases. This is pretty basic stuff. To imply the causes aren’t discernible, the effects aren’t seen, etc — is pure climate denial. Why don’t you grow up on this subject already?

:up:

Harris’s crowds are big. He doesn’t like that — so it doesn’t exist.

He lost the election — but he can’t lose, so it didn’t happen.

What’s more pathetic, though— Trump, or his slavish followers that go along with the beyond obvious lies?

“I’m a lot of things, but weird I’m not.” — Donald Trump :lol:

Oh and thinking Nate Holden was Willie Brown is fantastic too.

And a Harris crowd that was AI-generated. Don’t forget that.

He’s losing his fucking mind. :lol:

Kramer vs. Kramer

Good movie, but I don’t see how it was both the best picture winner and top grossing film of 1979.

Because it took me so long to watch it, I probably can’t appreciate how original it was. It’s been done so many times since then, it’s not as compelling. Kind of like how I felt about Animal House — not that funny.

It’s awesome that Trump keeps doing interviews because he believes he’s a great speaker. Hope he keeps it up. Nothing could be better for Harris.

Hey Mikie this is the list I'd have posted to you if I felt like looking it all up. — fishfry

universal free school meals
- legal weed
- carbon free electricity by 2040
- tax rebates for the working class up to $1,300 (making under $150k per year)
- 12 weeks paid family leave
- 12 weeks paid sick leave
- banned conversion therapy
- red flag laws for guns
- universal background checks for guns
- automatic voter registration
- free public college (under $80k)
- ban on PFAS (forever chemicals)
- $2.2 billion increase in k-12 school funding
- sectoral bargaining for nursing home workers
- opposed Wall St bailouts in 2008
- voted against outsourcing deals
- supports lifting a moratorium on nuclear energy in Minnesota
- 100% rating from Planned Parenthood
- banned non-compete clauses
- raised minimum wage for small businesses
- raised taxes on multinational corporations
- protected gender affirming care
- banned medical providers from withholding care over debt
- protected construction workers from wage theft
- massive Minnesota infrastructure bill
- backed the Iran deal — Mr Bee

Sounds good to me. So your point is that Mr Bee can make substantive points, but that you could too if you tried. Cool. Guess you really showed me.

Let me know if you ever have a substantive point to make. — fishfry

Substantive points like…

making Minnesota a sanctuary state for underage trans surgeries, to meeting five times with a Muslim cleric who admires Hitler. — fishfry

Yeah, you let me know too.

You’re the one that said you aren’t very familiar with his policies. So why you’re now arguing about it is odd.