How Jeb Bush Spent $130 Million Running for President With Nothing to Show for It

It's a myth that politics is dictated entirely by money.

As if this information helps you...

That's very rare. That's what random is. — Banno

On the contrary, mathematicians have a lot to say about randomness.

It tells you what mathematics is... — Banno

A bunch of patterns. Gotcha.

no one needs to support a well-funded protest organization to fight against racism. So use your hashtags and fist emojis to your heart’s content. — NOS4A2

Money isn't everything. Tell me who spent more and lost?

what key ideas have you been exposed to that have completely changed your viewpoint on a belief you previously held? — Risk

Atheism and the scientific skeptical attitude completely eradicated all of my former beliefs about God or the supernatural. I first picked up atheism from YouTube and the popular (at that time) new atheist movement. I later found out that their arguments weren't philosophically sound, but still clung onto atheism (perhaps out of habit).

(This is all just my personal experience, and it should in no way affect your worldview.)

What do you call things that do not repeat? And are they out of limits to mathemaicians?

My point is that saying mathematics is the study of patterns doesn't really tell you anything.

They say mathematics is the study of patterns. I always wondered what they meant by a 'pattern'.

Napping requires considerable dexterity; there is more to it than banging rocks together. The conchoidal fractures on the example pictured are the result of selection of the material and careful striking to produce a useable edge. This type of tool was used for more than a million years, so the technique was passed to subsequent generations. — Banno

Thats really interesting. If only @Brett put the same amount of thought and effort into his OP as our ancestors put into making tools, perhaps we would all make more progress. :wink:

and the first chapter in the book we used was axiomatic structure. No matter who taught the course, the students were not happy. — jgill

Thats interesting because I remember Feynman talking (youtube video) about two methods of math in history, the Greek method and the Babylonian method. The Greek method used axioms, where as the Babylonian method did not.

Wasn't sure because it seems like they could have been made independently in different parts of the world.

Oldowan tools are found from France to China. — Banno

Therefore what?

Do you think politics, as I define it, was part of her life. Tools can’t have been made in isolation. Even if she was part of only a family I still see politics as part of that dynamic.

Edit: if they’re making tools then they’ve entered a complex state. — Brett

I'll answer that. Stone tools could have been made in isolation. It's only when they start sharing and passing down their knowledge, do politics get involved. Or it could have been a peaceful and pleasant act of cooperation. No one knows until they start researching hominids.

Edit: but maybe science is an offshoot if poetry. From where and how did the idea to make stone tools originally spring from?

Edit: ignore my last comment. Obviously it’s the actions of memory, observation, etc — Brett

Its an interesting question where science originated. I think a lot of creativity goes into science, and I wouldn't rule out poetry as an influence.

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The Greeks did not have a government until Alexander's dad, who was no democrat.

That's how the polis ticked. — Banno

I don't understand any of those words you just used.

:yawn:

You're way more knowledgeable about ancient Greece than I am.

I think he means that is what he thinks of you. *your're so thick, blah, blah, blah*

It was necessary for Greeks to come up with the word politics to describe what was happening in their democratic government.

@Brett Never mind @Banno

Science is further down the track and developed from one of those pillars, or two, or a mutation. — Brett

What pillars specifically?

It might not have because ancient Greek culture currently has a significant influence on western society.

I just wasn't aware they predated the Greeks. But seems they didn't. — Banno

I never even heard of that word before.

I’m using politics as a form of interaction between people. “The affairs of the city” are the affairs of the people. First the people then the institutions. — Brett

This is very typical of philosophers. Use an ordinary word, and then proceed to strip it of all its connotations. :vomit:

Don't mind me, I just don't like philosophers. :victory:

So in the sense I’m talking about politics, which is not related to the Greek meaning, which refers to politics as a game of rules, — Brett

You can't divorce the word 'politic' from its original Greek meaning because politics is a Greek word. You're setting yourself up to confuse everyone.

The English word "politics" derives from the Greek word politiká (Πολιτικά, 'affairs of the cities'), the name of Aristotle's classic work, Politiká. In the mid-15th century, Aristotle's composition would be rendered in Early Modern English as "Polettiques",[a][10] which would become "Politics" in Modern English.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics

I mean that it far earlier than Greek culture. All they did was begin the ritualisation/institutionalising of it and give it a name. — Brett

I'm not sure what you are trying to convey to me.


Definition of Cistercians: a monk or nun of an order founded in 1098 as a stricter branch of the Benedictines. The monks are now divided into two observances, the strict observance, whose adherents are known popularly as Trappists, and the common observance, which has certain relaxations.

Tribes come before Greek culture. — Brett

Exactly! Problem is, no all humanity has adopted Greek culture! Is your mind blow?

It’s origins are in trading on an individual basis for necessities. — Brett

Yes. I would say 'trade' is a way more appropriate term for a pillar of humanity than economy.

Based on what I just said I think that trading begins at an individual level. — Brett

What did you say specifically?

I don’t think studying something is the thing. The thing has to first exist. — Brett

'Economy' is an abstract term (and a social construction) invented by economists! *attempting to blow your mind*

Yes, so something initiated institutions, markets or business. Economics is behind business and markets, politics behind institutions. — Brett

Individuals start businesses. Governments and institutions are part of the 'ecosystem' in which business thrive.

For instance politics comes before a community/tribe was formed. — Brett

'Politics' originates from ancient Greece if I am not mistaken. You are thinking of tribal conflict.

Economics is about trading. — Brett

Economics is a social science; modern terminology.

But at what point does trading appear, before a tribe is formed or after. — Brett

I say trading relates more to geography than individual tribes. Things get traded from places to places.

And is economics just politics in action? — Brett

'Economics' is simply the study of economy. Are you thinking of markets?

And what’s behind institutions, markets, business? They didn’t spring up overnight fully formed. — Brett

They can. Well, not fully formed, no. More like an organic process.

I’ve tried to break humanity up into manageable sections, to then see where they might crossover, how they’re influenced, or to see if I missed something, or if my four pillars are an accurate way to break it up. — Brett

Poetry — Brett

Politics — Brett

Economics — Brett

Religion — Brett

It seems like are missing the practical side to humanity. There's also markets, economy, institutions, businesses, etc...

Isn't there also an intellectual side to humanity? Schools, universities, intellectuals, and ideas. It seems like they play a crucial part to humanity.

BLM is a political activist movement about the maltreatment of black people in America and around the world. The main focus is about law enforcement and how it negatively affects black people.

While many people applaud BLM for bringing awareness about the maltreatment of blacks, I believe it's way too focused on a single race issue, taking no notice of other important political and environmental problems.

I watch the Morton Downey show instead.



And Jerry Springer.

I don't read tabloids. :vomit:

Pitchfork-wielding protesters descend on wealthy Hamptons estates — fishfry

A caravan of protesters —some wielding plastic pitchforks— descended on the Hamptons Wednesday to blast the rich and decry the nation’s rising income inequality.
https://pagesix.com/2020/07/01/hamptons-billionaires-car-caravan-protest-targets-east-end-vacation-homes/?_ga=2.188831215.559590100.1593669536-1434620757.1590193080

Did you only read the headline?

That's 17% of the NYC police department's budget at a time when homicides and other violent crimes are exploding. And the new "bail is unfair" movement means that violent criminals are set free the day they're arrested. Plenty of links if you feel like doing the research. — fishfry

That's only your point of view. It might be in your interest to keep NYC police department fully funded, but don't expect everyone to be on board. They give their reasons for the police budget cuts, you may not agree with their reasons, but that's what politics is about.

You say you're safe from this insanity and I hope you're right, and I hope I'm safe too. How insane will these idealogues, as you call them, get before none of us are safe? — fishfry

Lucky for you there are idealogues on the other side sticking up for your interests.

Ok I'm really done you can definitely have the last word but how can you say you're safe from all this? Don't you follow the news? — fishfry

I'm not going tell you about my personal life on a public forum. All I'll say is this: I have no power to do anything about all this instability. I might as well worry about other things. There are plenty of people who do worry about it and have the power, and I think they'll get on just fine. I'm not going to have any impact on this debate, let's be honest.

If you don't pay attention to idealogues, what are you going to do when they come to your house or your town to set the place on fire, pull down statues, and take over neighborhoods by force, with the acquiescence of the local politicians? I'ma barf. — fishfry

Nothing you say is going to convince them otherwise, that's why they are called idealogues. Call them out for what they are, and do everything you can to stop their unethical behavior.

I'm perfectly safe where I am.

It encapsulates everything wrong with the culture at this moment — fishfry

You would have to show that she isn't merely a fringe group. Or else it's just your opinion.

I don't care. One life lesson I learned is that paying less attention to ideologues is good for your mental health.

I'm sensing that you don't think much of Harvard. I invite you to start a topic on your opinion of that university.

I am going to stab you.

I've been following the news lately and I think she's the end product of a plan. That would be my opinion. — fishfry

I don't agree with that opinion, but I respect your right to express that opinion here. :smile:

If you feel strongly that this demented young woman was wronged, here is her GoFundMe page where you can donate to her cause.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/the-claira-janover-is-incredible-fund-part-ii?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet — fishfry

I really don't care about that lady.

Can you explain to me what do you think is in the air these days that induces a bright, ambitious young woman to get herself into Harvard and then, after graduating and nailing a high status job at a big time accounting firm, posts a TikTok video that immediately renders her unsuitable for employment anywhere? — fishfry

I'm not a psychologist but it's a fact that people with high intelligence are capable of saying and doing very irrational things.

If it was just one person going crazy, it wouldn't be a story. It's a lot of people. She said she'd stab anyone who said all lives matter. Do you believe all lives matter? Would you stab someone who disagreed with your opinion? Would you even jokingly threaten to stab someone on the Internet where your video will exist forever? — fishfry

Politics often gets messy, there's always going to be some crazy person doing some weird things. And it doesn't really matter the side of the political spectrum.

I'm wondering if this is the best place to merely express your opinion. Here's the crucial question: do you want others to comment on what you've said, or would you rather be left alone?

culture war — Number2018

Is just another fancy name for politics.