Does this mean that, to a spiritualist, a tree (even imaginary) is a spiritual thing, not a physical one? If so, then how does he differentiate between physical and spiritual things?Well, a tree. Your reasoning rests on the premise that when we imagine a tree we're imagining a physical thing. But a spiritualist might reject this premise and say that when we imagine a tree we imagine a spiritual thing (or some other non-physical thing). — Michael
How can that be? Spiritual things such as angels, souls, logic and morality do not possess such things as colours and shapes and sounds and textures and other sensory qualities. Can you find a spiritual thing that does?So they'll say that these are spiritual concepts, not physical concepts. — Michael
We do not experience "physical", but "blue", which is a physical concept. As long as you have experienced "blue", you need to explain where this experience comes from, if not from a physical world.You seem to be assuming that "physical" is a simple impression, like "blue", but that is doubtful. I have certainly experienced "blue", but how do I know whether I have experienced "physical"? — Sapientia
I agree with this. But these concepts (colours and shapes and sounds and textures and other sensory qualities) are physical concepts, not spiritual ones. How can the extreme spiritualist explain where these come from, if not from a physical world?The extreme spiritualist could argue that when we imagine things like chairs and tables we're imagining complex arrangements of the latter things, not the former. — Michael
I do believe in these things, but I see your general point. The concept of "angels" can be deconstructed into "living beings" and "spiritual", both of which we perceive elsewhere. As for the soul, I think we do not have a clear perception of it. As such, I would not use my argument to prove the existence of these two concepts.Well, as a possible reductio ad absurdum of your reasoning (unless you accept the conclusion), given that we can imagine such things as angels and souls, it must then follow that such things exist? — Michael
I would disagree. The blind can understand the theory behind the colour blue, that is, a certain frequency range of light wave, but he could not "see" the colour blue in his mind.As long as the blind share our background capacities and language there is little that prevents them from understanding descriptions of colours and imagining what colours are like. — jkop
Actually it depends on our ability to imagine physical things. Because if we cannot imagine physical things prior to experiencing them, then how can we explain our perception of physical things if these things don't exist anywhere? If we cannot provide an adequate alternative explanation for that phenomenon, then we must conclude that physical things exist.But whence the assumption that the question whether the world is physical or non-physical would somehow depend on our ability to imagine non-physical things? It doesn't. — jkop
I don't know how you define the spiritual (or the physical) so it's kinda hard to comment. — Michael