As per the OP section "Argument in defence of the PSR", logic (and the PSR) are first principles of metaphysics. This means they exist in all possibe worlds, which means they have necessary existence. Thus, logic and the PSR exist necessarily or inherently. This is an internal reason which is valid under the PSR. — A Christian Philosophy
Yes, they have the freedom to do this. I don't believe that, do you? — Metaphysician Undercover
My usage was the latter sense of "laws of nature". — Metaphysician Undercover
In modern days we understand this as inductive reasoning, cause and effect, and laws of physics. This inclines us to think that these formulae are abstractions, the product of human minds, existing as ideas in human minds. And this is correct, but this way of thinking detracts from the need to consider some sort of "form" which preexists such events, and determines their nature. — Metaphysician Undercover
A "law of nature" in this sense necessarily precedes the event, because the laws of nature are what makes things act the way that they do. — Metaphysician Undercover
Free will allows a new, undetermined event to enter into the chain of causation determined by the past, at any moment in time. — Metaphysician Undercover
Since the prior forms are "idea-like" as immaterial, and the cause of things being the way that they are, in much the same way that human ideas cause artificial things to be the way that they are, through freely willed activities, we posit a divine mind, "God". — Metaphysician Undercover
A common way of representing the difference between the two types of "form" are as the laws of physics (human abstractions), and the laws of nature (what the laws of physics are supposed to represent, which causes things to behave the way that they do). Aristotle provided much guidance for separating the two senses of "form", the causal as prior to events, and the human abstractions as posterior to events. — Metaphysician Undercover
Plato thought that since things exist as types, then the form, or type, idea, must be prior to the thing itself, to cause it to be the type of thing that it is — Metaphysician Undercover
Aristotle showed that since a particular thing has a form unique to itself, which must be prior in time to the thing itself to account for it being the thing that it is and not something else, forms must be prior to material things. — Metaphysician Undercover
This indicates that there must be something similar to ideas, forms, which are prior in time to material existence, therefore outside of human minds. — Metaphysician Undercover
Isn't "force" just a concept? — Metaphysician Undercover
How could a wavelength of 700nm exist in the world? — Metaphysician Undercover
My propositions serve as elucidations in the following way: anyone who understands me eventually recognizes them as nonsensical, when he has used them—as steps—to climb beyond them. (He must, so to speak, throw away the ladder after he has climbed up it.)
Colors we project mentally are compatible to what exists in nature it seems, we know or assume others are projecting that color as well...animals, plants included living things adapting to environment and survival instincts have developed with time. — Kizzy
Logic has a reason for existing, as provided in the OP under section "Argument in defence of the PSR". — A Christian Philosophy
Clearly sufficient reason and sufficient cause are there, whereas reason is more logic and cause is more physical. — jgill
The fact that we are discussing something is not the evidence for existence of something. We can discuss about the unicorn or a flying pig. Does it mean the unicorn or flying pig exist? — Corvus
"Numbers and colours exist somewhere"? Somewhere is like saying nowhere. — Corvus
Where about in the brain do you see numbers existing in physical form? — Corvus
Logical necessity is a type of sufficient reason. It is reason type 1 in the OP section "PSR in Metaphysics". — A Christian Philosophy
If you accept an unrestricted form of the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR), you will require an explanation for any fact, or in other words, you will reject the possibility of any brute, or unexplainable, facts. (SEP - PSR)
You apply the thoughts onto the physical world i.e. typing, measuring, hammering, drilling, and driving ... etc. You have ideas how to use and manipulate the physical objects. But the ideas are in your head, not in the world. — Corvus
I had thoughts, but I wouldn't say the thought existed. You cannot use "exist" on the abstract concepts. — Corvus
That sounds like a categorical mistake. It is not matter of real or unreal. It is matter of knowing or not knowing — Corvus
That is not what I asked. I asked which version says that it is contingent on our knowing that an event has occurred.............Then you reject every version of the PSR that does not explicitly state that the principle only applies to events we know of.........................It makes an ontological claim. — Fooloso4
The PSR is, in fact, a family of principles.......................Variants of the PSR may be generated not only by placing restrictions on the relata at stake (both the explananda and the explanantia), but also on the notion of the relation at stake. (SEP - PSR)
===============================================================================Another distinction can be drawn between a factive, as opposed to merely regulative, version of the Principle. A regulative version of the PSR would consider it as a condition for intelligibility (on a par with the Law of Non-Contradiction) and thus as guiding our studying of nature. The factive version simply states that the Principle is true in actuality (or even in all possible worlds). (SEP - PSR)
How do you know that? — Fooloso4
Until recently we did not know it existed. We now know it does. According to the PSR it must have a reason for existing. That reason was not created by our discovery of it. — Fooloso4
You mean all the science fiction books are real stories? Or merely exist in the authors' minds. — jgill
And which of those versions says that it is contingent on our knowing that an event has occurred? — Fooloso4
It is not a contradiction. An event is something that happens. According to the PSR there is a reason for it happening. Our knowledge of something happening is not a requirement for it to happen. The Webb telescope has detected the earliest known galaxy, JADES-GS-z14-0, which formed about 290 million years after the Big Bang. There is a reason for it happening, whether we know it happened or not. — Fooloso4
We can now see events that occurred millions of years ago, how does our seeing it now but not previously change what occurred or why it occurred? — Fooloso4
We cannot say anything about an event we know nothing about — Fooloso4
I asked you.................Whose version of the PSR are you relying on?: — Fooloso4
So, then, if the first even prime greater than 100 didn't exist I couldn't be writing about it? — Art48
I've seen some YouTube videos where it's said that numbers don't exist. — Art48
I don't propose it. I cite it. — Fooloso4
The principle is not based on our ability to know the reason, but rather states that there must be a reason. I do not know that there is a reason or that there is not a reason for everything — Fooloso4
My argument is that if you accept the PRS then you must accept that there is a reason for everything whether that reason is known to us or not — Fooloso4
Since the PSR states that every thing must have a sufficient reason, no exception, then both 2) and 3) would be deniers of the PSR — A Christian Philosophy
Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR): For any thing that exists or is true, there is a sufficient reason for it to exist or to be true.............We then defend its validity as a first principle — A Christian Philosophy
Not all explanations are external to the thing explained. Here are examples of things that are explained by an internal reason, that is, out of logical necessity or inherently. — A Christian Philosophy
We cannot say what that reason is if the thing or event is unknown, but it must have a reason whether we know it or not. — Fooloso4
Are you arguing against the PSR? — Fooloso4
Therefore the PSR cannot be applied to the unknown. — RussellA
If the PSR is valid it should hold for all events whether known or unknown — Fooloso4
There is a reason for it happening, whether we know it happened or not. — Fooloso4
Air is beneficial to folks, but the polluted air also kills folks. So they have the contradictory cases, which makes them unfit for qualifying as acceptable premises which prove the PSR true. — Corvus
There is a reason for it happening, whether we know it happened or not. — Fooloso4
Therefore the premises of the reasoning is incorrect or irrelevant, which proves the PSR is not sound. — Corvus
If the PSR is valid it should hold for all events whether known or unknown. — Fooloso4
If PSR is restricted to what we know or observe then the reason for the star exploding is contingent upon our knowledge of it happening. — Fooloso4
What is the explanation for "for every fact there is an explanation"? — Corvus
This sounds like a contradiction. Surely PSR doesn't allow contradictions for the conclusions. — Corvus
These are just repeating the same thing the first part of the sentence using because — Corvus
Gravity is a scientific concept which must apply to every cases in the universe if it is true. — Corvus
But the light bends around sources with high mass due to gravity. — Corvus
When the light is released into the space, why doesn't it fall to the ground? — Corvus
While it is true that photons have no mass, it is also true that we see light bend around sources with high mass due to gravity.
Suppose a star explodes 10 light years from us. It will not be observable to us for 10 years. If the PSR only applies to observable,facts does that mean that with regard to that event the PSR is not valid and will not be valid for 10 years? — Fooloso4
The reason we observed the rock falling is that it fell and we were there to see if fall. There may be various reasons why it fell and various reasons why we were there to see it fall. It does not follow from the fact that we can posit reasons for why we observed the rock fall, that there is a reason for everything. — Fooloso4
You did not address the problem. Observing that a rock falls is not a reason for why the rock falls. — Fooloso4
What does this mean in terms of PSR? The observation that a rock falls is not a reason for or explanation for it falling. If explanation reaches a dead end then either we have failed to find the reason or there is no reason. — Fooloso4
But gravity means more than that. — Fooloso4