Is that so irrational in your eyes? Am I such a bad guy for holding such a sentiment? — Outlander
Okay. A school shooting (a few dozen dead kids) is bad. A war, my friend (a few million dead kids) is worse. There are no excuses or way to sideline or "talk around" that fact. Without a right or means to defend oneself from an oppressive government, the darkest desires which often control people imbued with the mindset to seek power over others, such becomes inevitable. And don't give me that "a rifle cannot defeat a military jet or drone" nonsense. Soldiers and police are people too who want to go home to their families who literally wake up each day knowing they prevent indiscriminate killing of their own countrymen. They're not going to do that and the average low-level enforcement (cops) will be less likely to.risk their lives over a clearly immoral order that would likely end in one or more of their own deaths.
Not to mention, societal collapse. Historically, basically all nations are "roving gangs" temporarily turned civil due to access to resources that belonged to other people. There are no good people left, for the most part. We're literally the worst of humanity, artificially propped up by violence and theft. That's all there is to it. Ticking time bombs waiting to go off. Of no purpose or value but what we delude ourselves into thinking. Meaning, an individual who chooses to live a private life without engaging in (basically forced and compulsory) social membership with strangers because "I don't want to die" (AKA fear) should have a right to reasonably defend himself from a group of marauders, something only possible with a semiautomatic (or higher) firearm. All current institutions and groups were ultimately based and established on the principle of fear. Fear is not solid ground. — Outlander
The UK does seem to be having a lot of machete and knife fights on city streets now though don't they. — Sir2u
Sorry to disillusion you about this, but the bad guys will always get weapons while weapons continue to exist. — Sir2u
Why don't you trust other people to make the right decisions? — Outlander
There are crazies out there and people who hate you and wish death upon you because they don’t like what you say. — NOS4A2
Everyone keeps mentioning this statement here and elsewhere, without citation. It’s an odd phenomenon because clearly it is not something that you all remember hearing or reading before his murder, assuming that you never followed his debates and conjured it from memory. I never heard it before but I’ve read it a bunch of times today. Was it passed around on Reddit or Bluesky or something in the wake of his assassination? — NOS4A2
The tragedy marks the 47th shooting that took place at a school in the United States so far this year — 24 of which were on college campuses and 23 on K-12 school grounds.
Your position is anti-realist, while mine is pragmatic and operational. — JuanZu
We sometimes are wrong about how things are. How can this be possible if there is not a way that things are, independent of what we believe? — Banno
You and I agree as to what is the case. How is that possible unless there is something external to us both on which to agree? — Banno
I might seem dismissive and like I'm refusing to accept it — flannel jesus
I think adding "we all know the same thing" is something unnatural you added tbh. — flannel jesus
but they all know they could, and they all, according to you, know exactly the same thing, so they all know they should subtract 95 and it would still work. — flannel jesus
Yes but you don't know that every person will do that. Therein lies the problem — flannel jesus
the point you were focusing on is it's validity. — flannel jesus
but you also know it's a valid argument if you replace a2 and B2 with this premise: — flannel jesus
it might be — flannel jesus
it exists in a sea of equally valid and arbitrary premises. Suppose they replace 2 with committing to leave on X + 5 days. Or even X - 10 days. — flannel jesus
Seems like it requires mind reading to me for them to assume that about everyone else.
If they all could assume that about everyone else, sure, they get off the island. But they have no idea what everyone is committing to. — flannel jesus
Why would one of these blue eyed people think of that particular premise? — flannel jesus
if I don't agree with your conclusion we can't continue. Yeah okay buddy. I don't know why you want to talk to anybody lol. This is a philosophy forum. We can disagree with you, don't be weird about it. — flannel jesus
sure it follows — flannel jesus
I didn't say if it works for 100, it must work for 1. I said if it works for 100, it works for 99. If it doesn't work for 99, it can't work for 100. — flannel jesus
Well, I am my biology, my brain activity, my thoughts and so on, so to me this is another instance of everything being willed by yours truly.
Good times. — NOS4A2
But in the scenario there is no magic, no one knows their eye colour and yet you think everyone can logically deduce their own eye colour without anyone saying anything. — unenlightened
Then it should say '...and someone has said "I see blue"' because otherwise it is contradictory. — unenlightened
This is an impossible condition, because if you do not see a blue, and no one has told you anything you cannot know that there is at least 1 blue. — unenlightened
Unfortunately, no one within the puzzle knows premise 1. — unenlightened
Why would they commit to 3? — flannel jesus
if there were only 99, then no they wouldn't think it's not possible for blues to leave on day 98. That's what we're reasoning about. We're reasoning about "if there were only 99" — flannel jesus
Why would 99 leave on day 99 if they didn't reason that only 98 would leave on day 98? — flannel jesus
I'm saying the statement, "if there were only 99, they would leave on day 99" can only be true if it's also true that "if there were only 98, they would leave on day 98" — flannel jesus
right, and in order for that to be true, that only 99 would leave on day 99, then it must also be true that only 98 would leave on day 98, right? — flannel jesus
I'm really not trying to be sense here but, doesn't that make the answer to the question "yes"? — flannel jesus
So if the 99 you see leave on the 99th day, on the 100th day you'll conclude you have blue eyes anyway? — flannel jesus
If your reasoning works, then it must be true that 99 leave on the 99th day. Right? — flannel jesus
The premise that's false is 99 blue eyed people would leave on the 99th day. — flannel jesus