Or you can try synthesized antiviral proteins that react with a virus causing it to replicate harmlessly or disrupt the rate of replication. This gives the body time to recover on its own. And if I'm not mistaken, this is what the AIDS medicines are.

And if everyone thought like that the choice between Trump or Biden would never have come about.

Cool. An oligarch police state.

*facepalm" I think you're too near sighted to read properly...

I assume Obama was aware, and if not, he was an idiot — NOS4A2

Lmao. Just like Trump about his son meeting Russians. Of all the dishonesty and lies you've been dumping on this forum I think that one sentence takes the cake.

everyone who has TDS — DingoJones

Nobody has this because it's not an existing condition. It also has nothing to do with the examples you raise.

Of course the headline will be "Trump suggests injecting bleach" instead of "Trump suggests research should be done into injecting bleach". The first one is obvious click bait and the articles I read are in fact accurately reproducing what he really said. Even so, his actual statement is only marginally less stupid than the headline, so I'll give that a potato-potahto shrug.

The other side of the story is a news outlet actively trying to spread and support the lie Trump uttered to hide the fact he said something incredibly stupid. That has nothing to do with news but is about an underlying interest for FOX shareholders/directors that trumps doing journalism. That could be financial interests to not upset your viewer base, partisan loyalty (propaganda?) or political manoeuvring.

Neither is about TDS.

Blocked for EU IP addresses.

I enjoyed reading that from a literary perspective.

Hmmm... that's pretty fucking insane.

So what does it say about the Netherlands we can set up an entire production line for ICU-ventilators in about 2 to 3 weeks but we cannot produce our own ffp2 face masks in the same time?

Cool. Have fun with 30 billion GDP cost associated with it.

I'm done. I hope you're one of the people that gets hit by those costs and not people who are actually sensible about these things.

They voted for brexit, not a no deal Brexit. So the statement isn't bullshit at all.

"Everybody in business knows this" , like fuck they do. — Chester

So, trade deals don't matter? Why bother getting one with other countries then? Oh wait...

You just bleat whatever fits your current argument and lose sight of consistency.

The Brexit side clearly won by well over a million votes. Bearing in mind the absolute avalanche of anti-Brexit propaganda coming from the main stream media that is an amazing result. — Chester

It didn't reflect a majority as that paper showed. It seems you don't understand statistics.

Also, the anti immigration bullshit being fed for years and the brexit lies didn't play a role either of course. Its the fact that referenda are woefully inadequate to reduce a complex issue to a binary choice.

They stand for wall street. That power house of femininity and emancipation. In other words, nobody in power gives a shit about Tara.

@Chester Look! The English are ahead of the curve!

In a two horse race it's definitely a first past the post situation. — Chester

Not at district level as you pretended. The results of the referendum as a reflection of the will of the people were inconclusive, since not everybody voted. You need a statistically relevant majority for that and 52% wasn't it. Even if you take the results at face value, I consider it problematic any way for obvious reasons: the majority is tiny and the consequences huge.

So in your world NATO hasn't kept the peace , the Dutch have wasted their time being members? — Chester

NATO didn't do shit with regards to peace between its members — Benkei

Difficulty reading again, I see.

My using Japan as an example of not needing the EU for peace still stands..it's a perfectly good example that you don't need to be in an economic cartel in order to be peaceful. — Chester

Still a fallacy.

The Germans are seeking to bail out their businesses. link — Chester

I can't open the link. This is the third time I'm trying to find more on this via Google. I either have the wrong key words or the article is sensational and hasn't been picked up anywhere else. Can you post the relevant bit? In any case, all countries are bailing out industries at the moment, so I'm not sure what's special about the Germans. There's a temporary framework : https://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/what_is_new/sa_covid19_temporary-framework.pdf

And here are all the approved state aid programs: https://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/what_is_new/covid_19.html

Including those evil English.

No one knows if a no deal Brexit will cost the UK anything...also I very much doubt if there will be a no deal...unless the EU wants to make a political rather than economically sensible point.If it goes for the former hopefully European citizens who lose their jobs because of an obviously political decision will take actions against the EU. We shall see. — Chester

You mean you don't know. Everybody with experience in business knows this.

The reverse of your statement is that nobody knows the effect of trade treaties and you don't need an agreement with the US or any other country in the world.

For fuck's sake. That political system really is the worst. In the Netherlands parliamentary members and government appointees are vetted by their respective parties before they can become a candidate for that party. How the fuck do all these rapists get cushy jobs?

Happy to vote for a rapist because Trump is one too but yours is a Democrat?

Did you read the statistical research paper proving your point wrong? Or is actual research a problem for you? The referendum wasn't first past the post, so the entire premisse is irrelevant.

You say that the EU has kept peace in Europe...are you suggesting Nato wasn't responsible? Are you suggesting that Japan has been at war since WW2 because it's not in the EU? — Chester

Kept the peace? No, economic interdependence had been the greatest contributor to peace as some historic awareness would teach you. If you have more to lose from war, you won't go to war. It's as simple as that. So indeed. NATO didn't do shit with regards to peace between its members and was build to defend against another German or Soviet attack and was slowly expanded as a result from the peace existing between EU countries

Raising Japan is a logical fallacy. That's like saying vaccines don't work because someone else who didn't get one recovered from the measles. Don't be silly.

Do you now accept that large German corporations exist ? That if they are bailed out against EU rules
that they will be in a powerful position with regard to Italian or Spanish businesses? — Chester

Do you actually read what I write or are you having a monologue? I didn't say any of this and asked for which bail out you're talking about and pointed out how unlikely it will be. Stop being an ass.

Covid 19 makes the economic impact of Brexit negligible. — Chester

LOL. How much has the UK government spent on covid-19 so far? What will a no deal Brexit cost the UK? What does the word negligible mean in nobby English?

Also, more generally: for someone who's so wary about politicians as you say you are you certainly have swallowed the Tory story hook line and sinker. If only you'd be as critical in all areas and not only with respect to those things you happen to disagree with a priori.

The British people were misled when they voted to join the EEC, had they known that it was really an exercise in empire building they would never have voted to join. We are ahead of the game because we can see the direction of travel for the EU...an overbearing state apparatus that seeks ever greater control over the populace... and so we have voted to leave. — Chester

Who's "we"? Only half did of those who voted. Statistically you cannot even conclude there was a majority. See: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.03387&ved=2ahUKEwjzk-r_9qPpAhVJzqQKHXTxBHAQFjAAegQIAhAC&usg=AOvVaw2rWPxFyt4m9J4I_5mnXiCj

Second, when you voted for it in the past, if you were lied to, you were lied to by your own politicians which is not the fault is the EU.

I know 2 people who work at a very high level in financial services. One of them voted for Brexit and the other for remain. The one who voted remain voted remain because of the fear of economic cost not love for the EU. Both of them could get work anywhere in the world without restriction, they do not need the EU for work. You will have no problems visiting or working in the UK in the future. — Chester

So what? This isn't even relevant. Nobody requires anyone to love the EU to realise its benefits. I don't love my Dutch politicians either. I guess you get off on the patriotic flag waving and salutes.

Aside from the economic benefits, the original political aim was peace. Considering how many wars we've had in Europe alone, this has been fantastically successful.

I used to like the idea of proportional representation but I have come to the conclusion that it would lead to unending compromise...it hasn't exactly made the EU positive in the eyes of many of its citizens has it? — Chester

"Unending" compromise is another word for win - win negotiations. Maybe take a cue from the Harvard negotiation method. And yes, the EU has problems that it does well to address.

Some German SME's...Volkswagen, Siemens, BASF, Bayer...plenty of buying power there. What do you think about the Germans flouting EU regulations and bailing out their manufacturing sector whilst the rest of the EU can't afford to? — Chester

Of course you can name the large corporations. Maybe because they're large? It doesn't change the fact the German industry base is one of SMEs. Which you would know if you'd care to be interested in your trading partners. https://www.gtai.de/gtai-en/invest/business-location-germany/economic-profile/economic-backbone-small-and-medium-sized-enterprises-81856

What bail out? And even so, is the EU doing this? No. While we're at it: What do you think about the monetary financing by the BoE through the ways and means facility now? (it's only day to day, until you start rolling it forward on a daily basis, which makes it a long term loan worth a daily floating rate). What do you think about Spain and Italy not following the budgetting rules for years which is why they cannot afford bail outs?

Pot meet kettle.

A no deal Brexit is going to be bad and it will be blamed on Covid-19.

You're wasting your time. He doesn't care about facts.

That or the USA is a banana Republic.

You Europeans never learn whereas the UK, especially England, is usually ahead of the game. — Chester

Which is it? Either we were so smart we managed to wrangle and cheat the English for decades as you've asserted or we're dim? We can't be both.

Just out of interest, are you Dutch? If so why do you care if the UK leaves? — Chester

I'm Dutch and I've worked in the financial industry about half of my professional life. What do I care? I have friends in the UK and I liked how easy it was to visit them. Or working for UK companies being easy. From a regulatory perspective the BoE and FCA had a much richer history and experience that is now lost, which will definitely make financial regulations in the EU worse. The Dutch and UK pension schemes are similar so they were an important partner in certain negotiations. The UK is an important trading partner as well.

Europeans like to be led , it's in their nature, the British however are naturally suspicious and doubtful of politicians ...we tend to think they couldn't organise a fuck in a whorehouse , so why would we want more of them, but hey-ho. — Chester

This is just fairy tales. It's much more likely that the consensus building with a multi-party system leads to decisions a larger majority actually likes than the winner takes all system you have in the UK. Brexit had a statistically irrelevant majority. So about 50% isn't happy about Brexit at all. So yeah, I get it that if that happens regularly half of the time you think you're not getting what you want and therefore politicians stuck.

Even more, we actually had real revolutions in Europe resulting in more meaningful democracies where the UK was stuck with nobs and aristocracy continuing to lord it over the rest (how much land do they own again?). So yeah, those English are really ahead of the curve with a pseudo-feudal system.

taly and Spain can't afford to do that so guess who will be waiting in the wings to snap up Spanish and Italian companies... German companies — Chester

Highly unlikely. You don't seem to understand that German manufacturing base is one of SME's, often family owned. The large all-consuming corporations are an anglo-saxon thing which has found willing copycats in mainly Asian countries. Europe has tended to answer, overall, with more specialised or bespoke production and service economies.

Which is why, if it hasn't been done before, hire a Dutch company.

I'm referring to Kavanaugh and in his case he lied when giving testimony. Whether he raped the woman or not doesn't need to be established. The fact that he lied should've been enough grounds since it amounted to perjury. There was the meaning of boofing and the Devil's Triangle, lies about how much he drank in college and William Pryor's nomination. It later was revealed he also lied about having heard of Ramirez. That's a lot of unnecessary lies.

Character judgment is subjective, and this juxtaposition demonstrates that. — Relativist

Lying to ensure you get a cushy job is about his current character and fitness for the job as a judge. I would've hoped there's not that much subjectivity involved about that. That's irrespective of making a judgment call on whether he raped that woman or not.

Well, Sturgeon has been demanding an indyref2. And I do see a unification of Ireland eventually. I think those two could happen, especially considering the voting with regards to Brexit there. I'd say more likely than not (more than 50%).

but I'd take no deal, I don't like the idea of the EU blackmailing us and in any case I think we can make up for any losses by trading more with the rest of the world. 80% of the world is not the EU after all. — Chester

On what time scale? Is the rest of the world spontaneously going to want UK goods if the UK is out of the EU? Unlikely no?

Probably that trade will first decline because a lot of the trade deals you have via the EU will no longer be valid, making English good more expensive. So exporters are going to have to take a haircut on their profits to maintain sales, if possible. Even if all things remained the same: where's the increased demand for UK goods going to come from?

Average time for negotiating comprehensive trade deals is 15 years by the way. And the UK is not going to be the first in line with many players because there are bigger trade blocs out there so replacing on the existing trade deals the UK has via the EU will take probably 30 years, from a position with far less bargaining power because the UK market is much smaller than the EU's.

I also don't recognise EU blackmail for the country that had by far the most exemptions to various rules and contributions than any other country in the EU and a financial services industry that has done very well, in large part thanks to freedom of capital and services within the EU. When did the EU blackmail the UK?

yup. Especially for double stranded rna.

Hang then both and be done with it.

I fully expect to get through this thing having been infected exactly 0 times and having infected exactly 0 people. — Hanover

That will be highly unlikely considering this is now endemic.

From a utilitarian point of view, if everyone thought like me, the world would be a utopia for reasons too many to count. — Hanover

More proof utilitarianism is a stupid ethical system then! :razz:

Because the elderly don't shop where you do and everybody is aware of any comorbidities they might have? I get it, statistically you personally pose a very insignifant risk. But how many people need to think like you that those insignificant risks taken together become significant?

Three? They're saturated in about 15 minutes...

It's because leftists tends to be collectivist and therefore also worry about others, even in the abstract, and you only worry about yourself or your immediate surroundings (based on the above reasoning). Whereas you getting the virus might not be a problem for you or your loved ones, there are those you'll inevitably meet or might infect via surfaces. Because of that I'd say : stay the fuck at home.

And even that depends on the masks. The ones with the hard plastic filters upfront don't protect others from the wearer. In Dutch they're called "expiration" masks but I doubt that that's the correct (literal) translation.

Kavanaugh was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I don't accept US jurisdiction in international contracts any more.

and there was not an open market for UK services in Europe. — Chester

In what way?

And even if it were true, would that be more or less open then with other countries in the world?

And even if that were worse than with other countries in the world, does it matter if the rules and regulations were the same for everyone in the EU? E.g. if anything, wasn't there at least a level playing field? And will a no deal Brexit improve or worsen the access for service companies in the EU?

A few facts... — Chester

Your facts are not contrary to my facts. So what's your point? Is the EU an important trading partner to the UK or not? The rest of the world is 6.75 billion people and the EU just 750 million. Those 750 make up about 50% of UK trade. Not relevant?

Does FDI make trade deficits irrelevant or not? Has FDI fallen sharply thanks to Brexit or not? Do you understand the effect of that? If so, what does that mean for the UK?

I think the Chinese manufactured the virus to kill as many Americans as possible. That's why it targets fat people.