The dictates of public conscience. I'm sorry for you if you think this needs quantifying. Maybe find a moral compass before asking moral questions.

Deliberate targeting of civilians would still be illegal/unethical though and there is a right to reciprocate. But Israel clearly escalated beyond any reasonable proportionality.

I can answer that: moral and cultural superiority means Israël can do whatever it wants because they're the good guys. All allied war crimes are excused and were justified because the Nazis were the bad guys.

You're a biased leftist. I just pointed that out so I don't have to rub my two braincells together anymore and worry about Gaza.

Similarly as, well, Saudi Arabia has spread Wahhabism. Not only by the actions of one Osama bin Laden, that is. — ssu

Despite the ruling class trying to avoid this. I think there would be an interesting analysis to be made between Wahhabism and Trumpism in relation to inequality and political power.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/10/west-bank-videos-show-israeli-troops-killing-teenager-and-driving-over-mans-body

This is what you get when you support people unconditionally: they rightfully think they can get away with anything with clear atrocities as a result.

Of course, I'm biased in favour of the oppressed and justice - which any sane person would arrive at on the basis of legal and moral principles. It's morons who think pursuing the status quo is somehow not biased, especially when they get into cultural comparative absolutism.

Your lack of historical knowledge and inability to think is on display across the forum. It's not an ad homs to point this out.

I wasn't quite thinking of the PLO (now part of Palestinian Authority, a quasi-governing agency). I was thinking of the splintered proxies from Iran. I notice you try to look for a quick Israeli redirection. I find that interesting and telling :chin:. It's like a knee-jerk reaction almost. It's really hard for you to simply denounce Islamism and authoritarianism demonstrated by Muslim communities without qualification of something (mainly anti-Israel or US). You aren't as biased as other posters, but the undercurrent is obvious. I'm not even sure this is objectivity, because even most historians and chroniclers have a point of view. — schopenhauer1

One of the most biased posters blaming others for being biased. What a joke.

Isn't "california farmworkers" a euphemism for "immigrants"? Nobody cares.

Also, it is not clear what Israel's intention is regarding Gaza. — BitconnectCarlos

This has been clear for decades. You've just not been paying attention. And not just Gaza, the rest of Palestine as well.

Israel's conduct is well above the standards of the Allies in WWII. Israel exercises restraint. — BitconnectCarlos

The Allies' goal wasn't to displace an entire people and ethnically cleanse the area of Palestinians. So this is false. You have an idiotic idea of restraint, where the capability to do worse is proof of restraint. That's the abusive father claiming restraint when hitting his children because he could kill them too.

If his actions "undermined confidence in the system" then there wasn't any worthwhile confidence in the system before to begin with. — baker

"The system" is a whole bunch of people acting in various ways. Some activities are conducive to a healthy political discourse, others aren't. To pretend the system itself has some inherent resistance to undermining actions is folly, because it makes people lazy. We can certainly design systems to make it more difficult to fuck it up but that requires people actively designing it and then to continue to guard the parameters in which the system was designed to operate. Crap behaviour needs to be pointed out and condemned.

Well, I can't say the UK and the Netherlands are improvements currently. Sunak and Wilders, what a joke.

Ever heard of the reasonable person test? Because what Trump claims he believes is irrelevant. It's what a reasonable person is allowed to believe. Otherwise I can go around claiming people can fly, despite people telling me it's not true and then get away with pushing someone from a building. That's not how it works. Trump is guilty and will be convicted soon enough.

Only Trump supporters pretend to not understand inferences. But they're good doggies all the same when the tail wags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/03/israeli-public-figures-accuse-judiciary-of-ignoring-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza

It's been going on much longer and has been mainstream with Likud since its inception but I guess people waking up to this incitement is a win.

A drone strike in Lebanon possibly pulling in Hezbollah into the conflict. Dumb decision.

Gunman in Colorada supreme court. Funny how the people scared of leftists and the law feel like it's perfectly fine to shoot people. Also funny how they all think like NOS4A2. I wonder when we can read about him in the newspapers.

All that just underlines is that you're still living in 1945. My use is consistent with actual use, srebrenica, Uighur etc. are examples of genocide too. 75 years of occupation with the intent to destroy the viability of an independent state through mass displacement, continued colonialism and war crimes is genocide of the original local population. Your continued inane ramblings about language are irrelevant. You're defending war crimes using fascist and ultranationalist talking points and too stuck in your Jewish circle jerk to be ashamed of it.

Also: I never called it a concentration camp but nice to know you feel obligated to defend that crime by pointing out it isn't as bad as an actual one.

Yes, I understand you live in reverse land where arguing against the continued murder of civilians under false pretenses of defence is wrong because it's Jews doing it. It's ubermensch and untermensch all over again. Open your eyes and realise the shame where you've learned more from the Nazis than the resistance fighters that saved Jews. But of course as a non-Jew it's just something offensive which you can then ignore which fits right in your brand of ultranationalist racism. Here's a reminder where other Jews already pointed that out:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

I could share photos of Nazi concentration camps, but I'll do my ancestors the respect not to trot those out. — Hanover

I love this one. Your ancestors are rolling around in their graves for you defending what the Nazis did to them.

thanks for saving me the time and aggravation.

denounce Israel for establishing itself, — BC

False. I've never done that and that's never been my point.

As to genocide, I'm using it exactly as it is defined. It's asshats like you who pretend to know what they talk about and then whine about semantics, not knowing the definitions. So, once again (the third time in this thread), according to the convention to prevent genocide:

Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention

Another dumb post. Genocide doesn't require you to actually kill people. All Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are oppressed, every Israeli village is build on an Arab ruin and there is no viability of a Palestinian state which is wilfully undermined through settler colonialism. That is the genocide. It's no less than what is being done to the Uighurs.


Your solution leaves out the security issue for Palestinians and is a common denial for people's right to self-determination. In other words it's dumb shit only a rabid pro-israeli with no idea of justice or fairness will come up with.

Don't bother replying. I'm pointing it out for others.

People are not skeptical when they are told things that they want to believe are true.

People are not skeptical when they are told things that agree with their opinion. — Agree-to-Disagree

If this is true, this is also true for you, so you have effectively said exactly nothing.

I don't have any hope any more, I'm just trying to make sure my kids will be spared the worst of what is to come.

interesting quote a bit further in; Bibi: “Regarding voluntary immigration … This is the direction we are going in.”

Good to know that the diaspora, fleeing the Germans etc. we're all done "voluntarily" by Jews in the past since to be murdered or not is the voluntary choice of the victims.

The man is insane.

I'm just patiently waiting for the US to implode due to its corrupt and vacuous politics.

Straw man. As if some internet rando knows how to do science better than actual climate scientists.

https://archive.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-2-1.html

Possible and deniable, so yes, probably just like that.

Trump obviously gets off on posting vague statements that people can interpret in myriad of ways but giving him room for plausible deniability.

a blurb of how others speak about him?

Can't you take a screenshot? I don't want to give him the traffic and indirect advertisement income.

https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2949/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/

I always find it interesting when people pretend to be intelligent but cannot find obvious answers to single issue questions. Performative stupidity is boring and doesn't serve any rhetorical point other than another reason to ignore you.

this is the part where only an unappealable court decision establishes illegality, except of course something is illegal even without it having been established in the courts. The courts merely confirm the illegality.

Bibidiot just signalled he wants to "deradicalise" Palestinians. When not talking to a murderous thug that would involve ensuring the material conditions of the average Palestinian improves to the point they are comfortable and secure enough they have no interest in continued violence. In the case of Bibidiot we are probably talking about the Israeli equivalent of an Uighur reeducation camp. If we're lucky.

It's only natural that what remains of the GOP increasingly has higher approval ratings for Trump but this is accompanied by a decline in overall GOP voters.

@ssu Almost Christmas. That's usually the time Israel does something horrible which is then not picked up in western media because they're too busy gorging themselves on a ridiculous amount of food.

So the Jews experienced a Holocaust in Europe with many displaced persons, many times the Jews going back were faced with continued hostilities from populations, etc. But don't worry, if they try to make a state of it in Israel, the same Europeans will call foul and say, "You better not do that either, or we will root for the Palestinians to push you into the sea there as well!". — schopenhauer1

Straw man. Nobody has argued for this.