Just because someone else (whatever a “MAGA” is??) sounds like me has nothing to do with the content of what I said. — Fire Ologist

The point is that you’ve been influenced by divisive political rhetoric — and are even proudly promoting it — rather than seeing things as they truly are. For example, your definition of woke is inaccurate because it essentializes “woke” into a narrow, partisan frame. It portrays wokeness as treating race, sex, and power as the most important factors in all choices, when in reality most who identify with or are labeled as “woke” simply emphasize awareness of systemic inequities alongside other concerns. It also reduces wokeness to “behavior and ideas” tied to progressive liberals and DEI initiatives, reflecting a common conservative critique rather than a neutral or self-described meaning. In practice, “woke” is a broader, contested term rooted in social awareness, not just a partisan ideology.

He was heavily religious. I should probably not need to elaborate. But if I do, the point is that if you are taught, and believe, that the Bible is the Big Man Word, then a word like 'abomination' is descriptive, not moral. I take your point, but this explication should make it quite clear what I'm trying to get across: a non-religious person using that phrase would be as you say. Charlie using it, generally, is not. — AmadeusD

The Bible contains numerous passages that endorse or regulate practices considered morally repugnant today, such as human ownership. Charlie Kirk has explicitly described slavery as “bad and evil,” suggesting that he does not view the Bible as a literal description of reality. If slavery is understood as part of society’s proper organization under God’s covenant, then Kirk’s statement implies a judgment that God’s covenant itself would be “bad and evil.”

Ok.

How? — Fire Ologist

It shows in your previous post. Can you really not see it?

AI verdict: Fire Ologist’s posts repeatedly use frames and metaphors common in MAGA / right-wing anti-woke rhetoric: “mob rule”, media bias, schools as indoctrination sites, victimization of conservatives, and reduction of “woke” to a leftist ideological orthodoxy.

I'm sending in my intrepid knight again for another devistating incursion.



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It’s just, me and Jeremy and many others on this thread seem to be able to identify what woke means, what is woke, and what isn’t. And the woke people on the thread won’t talk about it, and say they don’t know what woke means. And would rather talk about Hitler. — Fire Ologist

I just searched the topic and I haven’t mentioned Hitler even once, and I’m sure that I haven’t said that I don’t know what woke means.

I just want to engage on the issues. The issue is “the End of Woke” so seems to me a working definition of woke, from a woke subscriber, would be instructive. — Fire Ologist

Honestly, to me your ideas about it seem skewed by political (basically MAGA) rhetoric. That’s fine, literally millions of Americans subscribe to the anti-woke movement.

I am fully subscribed to looking at society (politics, religion, art, morality, language, etc) through the lens of power relations. I think it’s ignorant or foolish not to. I’m not a social justice warrior though, and have become even less interested in that project since participating in this topic and being influenced by Nietzschean thought.

folks like praxis and Mijin, who would rather not say want woke IS — Fire Ologist

I don’t get the fixation on this. Is it supposed to be a gotcha like asking a Democrat what a woman is or something?

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We're cooking with gas now.

I always wanted to say that so thanks for helping to provide an opportunity.



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What are you up to. :chin:



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If things remain on the current trajectory for another year, and things get better in the economy at all, and there is no “blue wave” (Democrat takeover of Congress) next November, the media (maybe even Hollywood) will have to pivot.

Once in a while, the world might see a lovable conservative. — Fire Ologist

Trump Tells Generals the Military Will Be Used to Fight ‘Enemy Within’

Identity politics, a vital progressive tactic, creates outsiders and insiders by its very nature. — Fire Ologist

You mean 'oppressor and oppressed', not othering, right? Remember, the first wokeist was Karl Marx. :lol:

Progressives can’t fathom a good person could possibly hold conservative, Republican opinions. — Fire Ologist

Jesus, pull the hook out of your mouth. Numerous studies reveal that Americans are not nearly as politically divided as political rhetoric — such as Trump’s — might suggest.

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Aha, Shatranj rules where a king can castle while in check. So be it! It won't save your castle though. :death:



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The progressives can’t fathom a different opinion than their own. — Fire Ologist

I can understand different opinions. It’s not that difficult.

Any outsider on any issue must be a facist/racist/sexist, and all of those who hold any opinion that opposes them, indicates to them a person who cannot be trusted on anything. — Fire Ologist

“Outsider” is an odd term to use.

Btw, I don’t trust people who make false statements.

Such people are to be feared, hated and silenced. — Fire Ologist

I don’t fear, hate, or silence people who make false statements. I usually just try to correct them.

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Wtf? — Mikie

I couldn't decide between taking his queen or forking the king/rook so I castled. Castling is usually a good move. And Outlander is right about my irrational attachment to the bishop.

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defended his positions on conceptual grounds — AmadeusD

The word “abomination” generally means something regarded with extreme disgust, hatred, or loathing. How do you defend that on conceptual grounds?

No one needs to feel, much less encourage others to feel, disgust and hatred towards trans people.

I predicted the comments that would follow Kirk's assassination, as well as the lack of comments. Didn't you? — Jeremy Murray

I saw a few clips of transgender folks who seemed happy about it. I guess that’s understandable given that they didn’t know Kirk on a personal level and Kirk openly referred to them as abominations. Honestly, if someone publicly promoted the idea that I was an abomination merely because I was a transsexual or whatever I would be happy they were gone. You can’t argue with irrational disgust and hatred.

I couldn’t have predicted how MAGA would use the assassination for woke/leftist hate-mongering. That’s a new low.

I'd play faster if it didn't require a desktop to play, FYI.



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I am stretching this term [woke] here — Jeremy Murray

Why?

Have you ever considered that if you really don’t get woke, you don’t get Trump either? — Fire Ologist

The so called ‘deplorables’ that Trump branded to were promised a return to a time when America was great; a time before their socioeconomic status shrank. The death of wokeness makes them feel a bit better, like their status has risen somewhat, though unfortunately the industrial sector remains depressed and will never return to its former glory. The future is mass automation.

If anything could really expose wokeism and actually end it, it is this killing of Kirk. — Fire Ologist

You believe the shooter is a woke leftist?

I predict if more Dems don’t figure this out, they will lose even more seats in the mid terms. So far, there is no blue wave coming. Probably the opposite. — Fire Ologist

Trump knows how unpopular his administration is so far this term and that’s why he’s issuing orders for gerrymandering.

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I don't know that jargon, but a quick google tells me it includes teaching phonics, which means it is not the whole language approach.

The whole language approach is using contextual cues, guessing, etc to learn vocab without the sound-it-out basics of phonics. And it works fine for privileged kids - books around the house, parents that read to them, etc. I was taught this way, and you were too most likely. It's only the past few years where the failure of the approach has been addressed, and only in certain sectors of ed.

Turns out poor kids generally need direct instruction. This is ancient history man. I'm surprised you don't know what I'm talking about with a partner who teaches. — Jeremy Murray

You wrote clearly but I got mixed up somehow and thought you were saying that phonics was woke. I guess because the phonics approach is a relatively recent development. Anyway, I still don't understand how either approach to teaching reading is woke. Can you explain?

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Who is the Nietzschean here? — Baden

Armless violinist Carl Herman Unthan.



I will seize myself with an iron fist to get everything out of myself.

I thought we might be playing suicide chess for a minute and you didn't tell me so I retreated. In the immortal words of Sun Szu – “He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.”



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Does your wife still teach? — Jeremy Murray

Yes, she's taught high school English in a variety of districts—some more liberal, others more conservative; some affluent, and others less so.

Even the insistence on whole language over phonics is 'woke'. — Jeremy Murray

It's quite a stretch to consider the Science of Reading movement woke.

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I fail to grasp your meaning.

That’s an unusual opening, exposing your king like that.

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Sorry man, I thought I was clearly indicating I see wokeness as a primary problem for the issues I listed? I mean, there are non-woke related issues, but yeah, the failure of discipline, literacy rates? Wokeness wears a lot of that. — Jeremy Murray

Literacy rates are typically attributed to socioeconomics, instruction quality, funding and resources, language barriers, and broader social factors like nutrition, healthcare, and family support. How does wokeness impact any of that?

"the conservative wing of MAGA" :lol:

Trump sues ‘degenerate’ New York Times for $15B

Apropos, DOJ Deletes Study Documenting Frequency Of Far-Right Violence: Report

I found it only works on a desktop and not an iPad or touch device, FYI.



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The game is afoot.