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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    It’s less to do with mental illness and more to do with belief and propaganda.NOS4A2

    When I think of incidents like Jan 6th I tend to think that mental illness must play a large part, and that given the sheer volume of Trump lies and the volume of complicity with his lies, I think that TDS must be predominantly MAGA Republican.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    He will say anything to get ahead - as we all do and must - in a culture which increasingly demands and rewards compliance.yebiga

    Take the Big Lie for example, Trump is obviously trying to “get ahead” with this lie, and many are complicit in this lie because they either actually believe it or they believe their compliance will in some way serve their interests. Most Americans, however, are not complicit.

    So it’s unclear to me what your point is about compliance. We could say that Trump is out of compliance with the American people or democracy, or we could say that the American people are out of compliance with Trump and his Big Lie.

    Also, why do you believe that compliance is increasingly rewarded and in demand?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump finally announced his candidacy for the 2024 presidential election.NOS4A2

    I hope you managed to not wet yourself with excitement.
  • Postmodern Philosophy and Morality


    Generally straight, and white, and male.
  • US Midterms
    Kari Lake lost. That’s gotta sting, and is yet another reminder that Trump is a big fat loser.
  • Postmodern Philosophy and Morality
    Always? Or do you mean the powers that you disagree with?GLEN willows

    You're happy with the current distribution of power?
  • Deciding what to do
    It is something that can lead to an existential crisis.Andrew4Handel

    And wishing to avoid that unnecessary anxiety, realize that we only have control of ourselves… more or less. See: stoicism.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    No one understands Buddhism, just like no one understands any religion. If it were understandable then it would not require faith, particularly faith in authority, and that would be antithetical to the entire point.

    I do so :heart: generalizing.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    Sure. No distinction between non-self and emptiness but a biggy big difference between understanding and realization. For instance, I understand a lot about life daununnda but I've never experienced it. It has never been made real for me, unfortunately.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    the original prana wisdom would be the understanding realization of annatta or the non-selfness emptiness of all things.Janus
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Language is certainly more fundamental than culture. Knowledge does not require language, however, so the fundamental attachment must go deeper than culture or language.
    — praxis

    I don't think language is historically more fundamental than culture
    Constance

    I think you're right, now that I put more thought into it, and not just historically.

    I still don't think the nature of this 'attachment' is explored enough.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    It was a rare setup, you could not expect me to resist a Zeno paradox joke.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    On the contrary, it can win you a foot race with a faster opponent.

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  • What is the point of chess?
    Does chess even exercise useful parts of the brain?TiredThinker

    Maybe it helps to develop strategic thinking.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    Nothing out of the ordinary. The same kind of problems that exist in all religions.

    Reason is essential for moral development. Faith, or intuition without reason, is moral stagnation.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Buddhism can tend to gloss over, in a way different from distracting thoughts, what is really going on also.Bylaw

    Worse, I think there's a strong tendency in Buddhism to devalue rationality in their promotion of intuition and it has led to all sorts of problems for them.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Language itself is just this: a body of tools, "scientifically acquired" meaning we, as infants and children were faced with models of language behavior and internalized these to the delight of others, and therefore, to our delight as well. We "tested" our knowledge with primitive utterances, and found successes in the way these became useful, and this was all imprinted in our young psyches. Now that is a fundamental attachment.Constance

    Language is certainly more fundamental than culture. Knowledge does not require language, however, so the fundamental attachment must go deeper than culture or language.

    It would probably be helpful to discuss the nature of this 'fundamental attachment'.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    In any case it wasn't really absent-mindedness I has in mind when I spoke of becoming blind to lived experience, it was more being stuck in certain conventional patterns of dealing with 'the world'.Janus

    In that case wouldn’t it simply be repatterning to what you’re calling “lived experience”?
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Do you thinks it's possible that, in being enamored with one's discursive knowledge of the world, one might become blind to lived experience?Janus

    I don't care for the phrasing but I know what you mean and yes, in fact, I'm the worst. Just today I drove a half-hour to a client's office only to realize upon arrival that I forgot my briefcase, so lost in thought was I.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Can you explain this simply? What's an example of metaphysical intuition?Tom Storm

    I don't have a good grasp of it, I'm afraid. In An Introduction to Metaphysics, Henri Bergson makes the claim that metaphysical intuition is the “kind of intellectual sympathy by which one places oneself within an object in order to coincide with what is unique in it and consequently inexpressible” In terms of actual experience, maybe something akin to aesthetic experience, I suppose.

    He talks about change or movement and a key demarcation from intuition to analysis is when an object stops moving, so to speak, like when marking a point on a line of trajectory, or to put it differently, when making a multiplicity out of unity.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    It seems important that it be cultural rather than fundamental because if it were fundamental then metaphysical intuition would be impossible.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    To conceive in a way that puts the concept of God outside of the prejudices of narratives, of history and its groundless meta-thinking, requires a step beyond these. This is both difficult and easy: difficult because one has to step out of something firmly fixed in our culture; easy because the solution lies with the Buddhists, which a kind of apophatic existential approach, a "simple" dropping of the illusions of knowledge suppositions by practical negation: ignoring desires and attachments. The most fundamental attachment is knowledge of the world.Constance

    One thing that doesn't make sense in this is how Constance refers to knowledge suppositions as both cultural artifacts and fundamental attachments. If they're fundamental then they're not cultural.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    I'm earnestly searching for the importance of the point. The search has led me halfway through a Bergson essay today, in fact, which seems to shed some light. Bergson is anything but stingy with his points, unlike others, who shall remain nameless, for the sake of civility.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    I'll say that when you wrote earlier that "This is a very important point" I wanted to know why and have been trying to discover that since. There are different approaches to discovery. Sometimes a trial-and-error approach works wonders. Sometimes trial-and-error only produces errors. :gasp:
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    I meant discursive knowledge; the point is that such knowledge is always in the form of subjects knowing objects, or knowers knowing what is known, or objects analyzed in terms of their predicates, Lived experience is prior to that and not given or apprehended in such terms.Janus

    Forgive my lack of nuance but all experience is lived experience and we're continually intuiting or perceiving and predicting subconsciously according to our conditioning.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    I’m not in a tooth pulling mood at the moment so if you’d care to say more about the comment of yours that I responded to with my beloved generalizations that would be great, or you can just ignore me.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?


    I was hoping the comment might inspire you to be less general. It seems to have failed.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    This is a very important point, and it should also be emphasized that knowledge of the world is not lived experience.Janus

    Buddhists are certainly attached to their system of beliefs.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Emotivity is reckless?Constance

    I don't think so, or rather I might think it is under particular circumstances.

    God is not a person, a creator, a judgment, a principle, a kind old man, and should not be conceived in the traditional way as something impossible remote.Constance

    There are all sorts of conceptions, I imagine. You seem to believe very strongly in your conception so naturally I'm curious how you could have such strong beliefs. I speculate that in order to believe that you know God this well is to believe that you are a God or Godlike yourself. Is that not a reasonable speculation?

    if you take that rotten apple and rub it in someone's face, is this not by default (defeasibly) wrong?Constance

    As far as I can see the only way it could be wrong by default is if there were somehow an inherent moral quality to the sensation or specific actions involved, in which case it could not be possible for rotten-apple-rubbing-in-the-face to be right in any way. I can imagine several ways that rotten-apple-rubbing-in-the-face could be seen as good. Perhaps the apple is moldy, for instance, and contains penicillium which could act as an antibiotic to help prevent the infection of a wounded face. Or it could be part of a hilarious slapstick bit. I love slapstick. Or it could be a punishment and seen as good because it may help to correct poor behavior of some kind. I also imagine that it may be possible that someone could simply, and perhaps inexplicably, enjoy having a rotten apple rubbed in their face.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Careful about the connotative value of words. You say evil and we think we are in a dramatic moral conflict between God and Satan, and this is precisely what bad metaphysics does, the kind of thing that sends women to a fiery death and the spiritual sanitization of social rules. ... God is love.Constance

    You advise care in connotative phrasing and in the same breath demonstrate recklessness. "God is love" is rather emotive. Rules for thee but not for me, it seems.

    How can you know God so well, btw, to know that "God is not a person who speaks, judges, lays down the law"? Do you believe that you are a God?

    Getting back to your beliefs about sensations, I think evil is the correct term to use because you seem to be saying that sensations like pain have inherent moral qualities. I'm curious where you believe the moral quality exists. Is it somehow in the sensation itself or in what causes a sensation? For example, is the sensation of an unpleasant smell evil or is what causes the smell evil? A rotten apple will have an unpleasant smell and the cause of that smell could be determined to be bacteria. So does that mean bacteria is inherently bad or evil?
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Someone extracts your tooth without analgesic: not a fantasy. In fact, far more ethically emphatic than any rule can possible be.Constance

    You seem to believe that sensations, like the sensation of pain, have a moral quality. Do believe that an unpleasant smell, for instance, is evil?
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    No, not literally.Constance

    So we are talking about fantasies?

    There are an infinite number of facts.Constance

    This is not true. Our world is quite limited. I know it may seem like we know, or can know, everything about the world but trust me, we don't, and I highly doubt that we have the capacity to know everything.

    With value, there is something else, once the facts are exhausted for their content. there is the "non natural" property of good and bad.Constance

    There's nothing unnatural about the experience or concepts of 'good' or 'bad'.

    This finds its justification in the pain or joy itself--these serve as their own presupposition, as I have said.Constance

    Our conditioning does not require justification.

    They are not things that defer to other things for their meaning;Constance

    Everything requires context to have meaning.

    ... the expressed principle issues from the world, not just some arbitrarily conceived bit of pragmatic systematizing of our affairs called jurisprudence.Constance

    Arbitrarily conceived laws? :lol: But you're right of course, they don't issue from jurisprudence.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Does that burn "say" with undeniable clarity, "don't do that"?Constance

    Of course it doesn't. People say such things. Burning sensations to not "say" things. Sensations are not independent minds that make recomendations or whatever.

    If someone needed to cauterize a wound, for instance, they may think positively about a burning sensation and basically think "do that." The sensation itself doesn't care what you do.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Any example will do: place your hand in a fire, and ask what is this pain? It is not a construct of language; it is the world itself "speaking" so to speak. It says, don't do this, to yourself, anyone, just keep this out of existence.Constance

    It's not the world speaking, it's you speaking. You are saying "don't do this," not the world.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    This is the foundational indeterminacy of our existence: take any concept about the world, any at all knowledge claim, and it can be demonstrated readily that there is no "center" no "final vocabulary" no "metanarrative" no stone tablets or anything at all that will intimate what is truly and really what the world IS.Constance

    It sounds like you've determined indeterminacy. Nicely done. :up:
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    The claim is not that a metavalue account of ethics is everything there is to ethical decision making. It is just that other questions are suspended here simply because they are not relevant to the inquiry.

    Talk about God is why this metaethical line of inquiry is taken, and questioning about God is metaphysical inquiry.
    Constance

    You haven't talked about metanarratives yet, which is curious.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    So, what is exemplary moral character about? It has to do with right choices, motivations and intentions, but intention to do what? Treat others as one should. Why is this a concern at all? Because all people are vulnerable to suffering. If a person cannot be hurt at all, then this is not a person for whom others can have a moral obligation.Constance

    The essence of morality is cooperation. You seem to be essentially claiming that it's avoidance of harm. Harm/care is only one dimension of morality. This is important because the aspects that you neglect are essential for religion to fulfill its purpose (it's not all about our ethics).
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    … value desperation …Constance

    To be as succinct as I can, desperation is reckless in nature, leading to rash and extreme behavior. Such behavior is quite often less than exemplary in good moral character.

    Desperate people are easy to lead though, the more desperate the better.
  • Is Buddhism truly metaphysical?
    Any thoughts so far?Constance

    I'm being patient. :smile: