comrade — BitconnectCarlos

Everyone not on the Trump Train is a communist, right? The programing has really stuck.

So what’s the ideology of a conservative SC? Does it tend to serve the interests of the working class or some other class?

In the moment we try to atribute something to a concept of absolute, it is not anymore absolute. People don't get that - praxis - — Gus Lamarch

And yet it is. How could it possibly not be?

And everything, yes?
— praxis

No, because everything emanates from it. Plotinus denies sentience, self-awareness or any other action to the One:

"It is impossible for the One to be Being or a self-aware Creator God."

Plotinus, Enneads — Gus Lamarch

You gotta admit it’s pretty self-denying for anyone to deny sentience or self-awareness.

I like Stirner's ideas about self-empowerment or actualization and his wariness of ideology.

If you divide something, let’s say a piece of clay, into two pieces then you will no longer have One piece of clay, you’ll have two pieces of clay.
— praxis

The point is that the One of this hypothetical "clay" would be the entire soil of the Earth. — Gus Lamarch

And everything, yes?

Is Plotinus claiming there is The One, and then other stuff which is outside of The One? — Hippyhead

Rather, Gus seemed to be saying that The One is other and inaccessible.

If you divide something, let’s say a piece of clay, into two pieces then you will no longer have One piece of clay, you’ll have two pieces of clay.

What’s there to argue, the One cannot have an other. How is it at all reasonable to claim otherwise?

I claimed that it's not some other thing and you appeared to suggest that it is some other thing,
— praxis

What if "things" don't actually exist but are instead conceptual inventions of the human mind?

When does a glass of water you drink become you? We could reasonably draw that boundary in any number of places, which illustrates that boundaries are convenient human conceptual creations. And if boundaries aren't real, things aren't either. And then we're left with the real world being a single unified phenomena. The One? — Hippyhead

Indeed, so how can there be an Other as Gus seems to claim there is?

The One is not the Other, obviously.
— praxis

So you can joke? — Gus Lamarch

Not at all. I claimed that it's not some other thing and you appeared to suggest that it is some other thing, that it’s Other, and One is not the Other.

It’s not like it’s some other reality or metaphysical dimension that we don’t have access to.
— praxis

This is practically what Plotino claims the One is. If you disagree, that is a matter of opinion, but if it is about Plotinus' philosophy, it is a misinterpretation. — Gus Lamarch

The One is not the Other, obviously.

Many of the claims in your article are rather wild, disjointed, unsubstantiated and I was curious about what was behind them or inspired them. Stirner's ideas seem reasonable.

Take up rowing?

I think it might be beneficial if up and down voting were added to the forum so people could get a better sense of how their posts are perceived by others.

If only temporarily? — frank

:down:

For what it’s worth, I couldn’t make heads or tails of the OP until I read the wiki page on Stirner.

I get the impression that you’re being evasive for some reason.
— praxis

I don't think he's being evasive, but is perhaps using language which isn't on the right channel for many readers of philosophy forums.

One way out of the endless round and round to nowhere which tends to afflict philosophy forums would be to shift the methodology of investigation from explanations to experience. To me, that's what's being implied by the philosophy being discussed. — Hippyhead

That’s where we got hung up, I was saying that we are always experiencing the absolute and we simply don’t realize it. It’s not like it’s some other reality or metaphysical dimension that we don’t have access to.

I get the impression that you’re being evasive for some reason. Your prerogative of course.

If you’re suggesting a contradiction then what is it?
— praxis

Are you reading the discussion? I doubt so. — Gus Lamarch

That doesn't explain the contradiction, if you believe there is one.

Plotinus compared the One to "light", the Divine Intellect to the "Sun", and lastly the Soul to the "Moon" whose light is merely a "derivative conglomeration of light from the 'Sun'". The first light could exist without any celestial body. — Gus Lamarch

A sun is a celestial body.

Superficial gestures to an ignorant audience. What couldn’t go right?

At least critical race theory is a real thing and not another pathetic ploy.

Rather than teach people to comply with police, saving lives, they teach them to feel indignant and oppressed, putting lives at risk. — NOS4A2

Don’t worry, Trumps new patriotic conditioning project will set the kid’s straight... or just garner a few more votes from people like you.

It’s everything
— praxis

His - Plotinus's - "One" "cannot be any existing thing", nor is it merely the sum of all things, but "is prior to all existents". — Gus Lamarch

If you’re suggesting a contradiction then what is it?

Blacks are also commit a disproportionate number of assaults and murders so they're unfortunately more likely to be in this type of situation where police are looking for a black suspect. You also only cited national statistics which may not be representative of where the bulk of the shootings are taking place. — BitconnectCarlos

People of color are more aggressively policed, studies show. For instance, white Americans don’t use drugs less than black and brown Americans yet they’re disproportionately incarcerated for drug offenses.

Hilarious. :lol:

John McWhorter lays out what it is your dealing with in this topic, and why you are wasting your time trying to discuss the issue with them. Everything you say is going through a religious filter of trigger words and agenda driven placeholder words. Self righteousness is a powerful inoculation against different (and therefore opposing, under this cultish ideology) points of view. — DingoJones

At a glance, his point is simple and easy to appreciate, but rather ironic that he exaggerates the issue to the unrealistic extent of religious devotion.

I’m not sure why that matters since people are capable of overcoming both kinds.

Could you really experience something absolute, or just your deficient version of it in existence? — Gus Lamarch

It’s everything, right? so how can we ever not be expecting it. Maybe the only problem is that we don’t realize the absolute. The Buddha solves the problem by sitting still, Timothy dropped acid, the Dervish twirl, etc, etc. The value is in relieving existential anxiety and anything beyond that probably enters the realm of religion and serves an entirely different purpose.

My question is about how to abstract the One, without the deficiencies caused by our finitude. I came to the thinking that we could arrive at the conception of the One, through the division of concepts. - Ex: We would (?) describe (?) part (?) of the One by mathematics, another part by language, another by metaphysics, reason, emotion, etc ... — Gus Lamarch

In order to... what?

Well, according to the Hearth study that I briefly scanned, the subject of stimulation was stimulated while having sex, another form of stimulation, so apparently it’s not the end-all be-all of stimulation that its being cracked up to be in this thought experiment. Sorry if I’m being a realist and spoiling the fun.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who didn't fall prey to it. — RogueAI

Evidence?

Your thought experiment is based on septal stimulation and there’s no evidence that it’s as addictive as you now suggest. Even though I admittedly have poor impulse control and the stimulation may be a challenge to deal with initially, eventually habituation would liberate and I’d be left with a free ass wiper.

I voted yes because having all my physiological needs taken care of for pressing a button every once in a while is too good of a deal to pass on.

Pro-fascist, anti-fascist.... both love the color black and silencing opposition. Horseshoe theory at it's finest. — BitconnectCarlos

Red fascists love red, I would assume.

Like the One, a whole is useless by itself.

Jesus Christ, look to Streetlight who's probably antifa himself. — BitconnectCarlos

Could be he’s pro-fascist and speaks ill of capital as an excuse so that he can wear all black attire. So vain.

Is it arrogance or a difference in motivations? If you’re motivated by the acquisition of power and wealth then it wouldn’t be unexpected to act with cold calculation in order to secure that goal. If you’re motivated to fight for equality, justice, and democracy, and live by such principals, then maybe that’s just who you are and there’s no helping it.

Watched RBG last night. Looks like she had fortunate and fulfilling life, with a wonderful marriage and family, and a shining career. Truly inspiring, and shows that one person can make a difference.

As we Are, our knowledge of the One is deficient;

But through our deficient knowledge of the One, we know that it Is in some "higher" Existence (?) - Meaning (?) Purpose (?) Idea (?); — Gus Lamarch

High is relative to low, meaning is relative to meaningless, purpose is relative to purposelessness, but The One is a cool idea.

Next step? — Gus Lamarch

Experience it.

Shit, and so close.