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  • The End of Woke
    If things remain on the current trajectory for another year, and things get better in the economy at all, and there is no “blue wave” (Democrat takeover of Congress) next November, the media (maybe even Hollywood) will have to pivot.

    Once in a while, the world might see a lovable conservative.
    Fire Ologist

    Trump Tells Generals the Military Will Be Used to Fight ‘Enemy Within’

    Identity politics, a vital progressive tactic, creates outsiders and insiders by its very nature.Fire Ologist

    You mean 'oppressor and oppressed', not othering, right? Remember, the first wokeist was Karl Marx. :lol:

    Progressives can’t fathom a good person could possibly hold conservative, Republican opinions.Fire Ologist

    Jesus, pull the hook out of your mouth. Numerous studies reveal that Americans are not nearly as politically divided as political rhetoric — such as Trump’s — might suggest.
  • Friendly Game of Chess


    Aha, Shatranj rules where a king can castle while in check. So be it! It won't save your castle though. :death:

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    Your move.
  • The End of Woke
    The progressives can’t fathom a different opinion than their own.Fire Ologist

    I can understand different opinions. It’s not that difficult.

    Any outsider on any issue must be a facist/racist/sexist, and all of those who hold any opinion that opposes them, indicates to them a person who cannot be trusted on anything.Fire Ologist

    “Outsider” is an odd term to use.

    Btw, I don’t trust people who make false statements.

    Such people are to be feared, hated and silenced.Fire Ologist

    I don’t fear, hate, or silence people who make false statements. I usually just try to correct them.
  • Friendly Game of Chess
    Wtf?Mikie

    I couldn't decide between taking his queen or forking the king/rook so I castled. Castling is usually a good move. And Outlander is right about my irrational attachment to the bishop.
  • The End of Woke
    defended his positions on conceptual groundsAmadeusD

    The word “abomination” generally means something regarded with extreme disgust, hatred, or loathing. How do you defend that on conceptual grounds?

    No one needs to feel, much less encourage others to feel, disgust and hatred towards trans people.
  • The End of Woke
    I predicted the comments that would follow Kirk's assassination, as well as the lack of comments. Didn't you?Jeremy Murray

    I saw a few clips of transgender folks who seemed happy about it. I guess that’s understandable given that they didn’t know Kirk on a personal level and Kirk openly referred to them as abominations. Honestly, if someone publicly promoted the idea that I was an abomination merely because I was a transsexual or whatever I would be happy they were gone. You can’t argue with irrational disgust and hatred.

    I couldn’t have predicted how MAGA would use the assassination for woke/leftist hate-mongering. That’s a new low.
  • Friendly Game of Chess


    I'd play faster if it didn't require a desktop to play, FYI.

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  • The End of Woke
    I am stretching this term [woke] hereJeremy Murray

    Why?
  • The End of Woke
    Have you ever considered that if you really don’t get woke, you don’t get Trump either?Fire Ologist

    The so called ‘deplorables’ that Trump branded to were promised a return to a time when America was great; a time before their socioeconomic status shrank. The death of wokeness makes them feel a bit better, like their status has risen somewhat, though unfortunately the industrial sector remains depressed and will never return to its former glory. The future is mass automation.

    If anything could really expose wokeism and actually end it, it is this killing of Kirk.Fire Ologist

    You believe the shooter is a woke leftist?

    I predict if more Dems don’t figure this out, they will lose even more seats in the mid terms. So far, there is no blue wave coming. Probably the opposite.Fire Ologist

    Trump knows how unpopular his administration is so far this term and that’s why he’s issuing orders for gerrymandering.
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    I think you have to be a paid subscriber or something to upload photos. Otherwise, this free service works well: https://postimages.org/
  • The End of Woke
    I don't know that jargon, but a quick google tells me it includes teaching phonics, which means it is not the whole language approach.

    The whole language approach is using contextual cues, guessing, etc to learn vocab without the sound-it-out basics of phonics. And it works fine for privileged kids - books around the house, parents that read to them, etc. I was taught this way, and you were too most likely. It's only the past few years where the failure of the approach has been addressed, and only in certain sectors of ed.

    Turns out poor kids generally need direct instruction. This is ancient history man. I'm surprised you don't know what I'm talking about with a partner who teaches.
    Jeremy Murray

    You wrote clearly but I got mixed up somehow and thought you were saying that phonics was woke. I guess because the phonics approach is a relatively recent development. Anyway, I still don't understand how either approach to teaching reading is woke. Can you explain?
  • Nietzsche, the Immoralist...
    Who is the Nietzschean here?Baden

    Armless violinist Carl Herman Unthan.

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    I will seize myself with an iron fist to get everything out of myself.
  • Friendly Game of Chess


    I thought we might be playing suicide chess for a minute and you didn't tell me so I retreated. In the immortal words of Sun Szu – “He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.”

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  • The End of Woke
    Does your wife still teach?Jeremy Murray

    Yes, she's taught high school English in a variety of districts—some more liberal, others more conservative; some affluent, and others less so.

    Even the insistence on whole language over phonics is 'woke'.Jeremy Murray

    It's quite a stretch to consider the Science of Reading movement woke.
  • The End of Woke


    I fail to grasp your meaning.
  • Friendly Game of Chess


    That’s an unusual opening, exposing your king like that.
  • The End of Woke
    Sorry man, I thought I was clearly indicating I see wokeness as a primary problem for the issues I listed? I mean, there are non-woke related issues, but yeah, the failure of discipline, literacy rates? Wokeness wears a lot of that.Jeremy Murray

    Literacy rates are typically attributed to socioeconomics, instruction quality, funding and resources, language barriers, and broader social factors like nutrition, healthcare, and family support. How does wokeness impact any of that?
  • Friendly Game of Chess


    I found it only works on a desktop and not an iPad or touch device, FYI.

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  • The End of Woke
    My point is that it might be procedurally woke to argue power, equity, identity. But it’s not substantively woke to argue whites are being oppressed and women aren’t.

    Do you agree with that at least?
    Fire Ologist

    I agree that it could be difficult to meaningfully argue, though you might have an uncommon argument that looks at it in a unique way.

    If you're trying to say that wokeness is like religion in its moralizing, then yes, I completely agree.
  • The End of Woke
    Wokeness was the language of OISE in 1997 when I did my initial teacher training, and was the language in the early 2000s when I did my masters of ed.

    It feels safe to say that schools have been 'woke' since before the term emerged in popular parlance. Should we not hold these educational leaders - who have failed to curtail abseentism, declinging standards, increasing violence and declines in mental health, students and staff alike, accountable
    for these failures?
    Jeremy Murray

    Absolutely, though it's not clear how much of these failures you're attributing to wokeism. I'm sure that plays a part. Anyway, funny coincidence that my wife did her initial teacher training at about the same time, teaching High School English, in the deep blue state of California.
  • The End of Woke


    You asked if I saw the end of woke and I responded to that question. I think the 'woke viewpoint' will continue because once a new and useful perspective is acquired it's difficult to forget, especially if there's an abundance of subject matter to look at from that point of view.

    There's a difference between observation and action, however, and identity politics can ultimately be self-serving rather than serving the interests of the marginalized. For example, are "deplorables" actually doing better now than they were before MAGA? Are trans people doing better now than before woke became mainstream? Violence against the trans community is increasing. I imagine it will spike further after the Charlie Kirk incident and the way MAGA is politicizing the tragedy.

    Regarding dogmatism, you're free to argue that whites are being oppressed and that women aren't. There is no God-like authority figure to judge you harshly for doing so. It's not a sin.
  • The End of Woke


    Clearly woke went mainstream in the 2010s. Why would anyone say otherwise? There must be a reason.

    Do you see the “End of woke”?Fire Ologist

    Interpreting events, institutions, and cultural norms in terms of power, inequality, and identity categories became mainstream in the 2010s. I imagine that lens will last as long as it is useful.
  • The End of Woke
    [woke] Went mainstream in the 1960s. Institutionalized by 2000s.Fire Ologist

    Went mainstream in the 2010s. I can’t tell what your game is but it’s very late in the game to be playing games.
  • The End of Woke
    How is "Cynical Theories"? That's been on my list for a while. Stock I know from Spiked and other Brit heterodox cites, is she worth reading in depth?Jeremy Murray

    It’s been some years but I would say good and worthwhile. Though it was not the intention of either book, I developed somewhat of an appreciation for the more philosophical aspects of wokeness. For instance, the question of why shouldn’t a society bend to the weak? Efficiency, predictability, and hoarding wealth & power are also forms of weakness.

    I assume Vivek is not serious.Jeremy Murray

    Political garbage. It can be interesting to dig through the trash on occasion.

    "The New Jim Crow" is woke-adjacent, not woke?Jeremy Murray

    Contrary to Fire’s rewriting of history, wokeness doesn’t go back to Karl Marx. It is also rather narrow in focus compared to full-bodied wokeness.

    I realized that after my last thundery post about reading stuff that I hadn't read much DiAngelo, so I read this:

    "Beyond the face of race: emo-cognitive explorations of white neurosis and racial cray-cray".

    It might be the worst thing I've ever read. I mean, I kid, but, honestly? It might be.
    Jeremy Murray

    Like the Kirk shooting video, I wish I could unsee that.
  • The Ballot or...
    a kind hearted sort with a sincere Christian faithHanover

    Are you at all familiar with his, uh, less than kind hearted beliefs? I could compile a list.
  • Nietzsche, the Immoralist...
    Behold Wagner, who would have made the world a temple of sound — yet his temple became a tomb. The German herd bowed to incense, not fire. Nietzsche was dynamite, and walked among the ruins of his organ, planting stars where bells once rang, with a style that dances.
  • The End of Woke
    The US is really blowing it when it comes to social harmony, and I have the same sense of wrong when it comes to "in your face" sexuality, even when it is heterosexual. How many remember when our sexuality is a private matter? In the movies it was alluded to but not "in your face". Could there be a relationship between this modern "in your face" sexuality and Woke?Athena

    As long as it's "in your face" in the traditional way, there's no relationship. If it's "in your face" in a non-traditional way—like in a man's face—then the woke red flags start to fly.
  • The End of Woke
    If a business is high risk for discrimination claims or whatever and a DEI officer lowers the cost of insurance, it sounds like a good business decision to have one.