The oldest lodge known according to Wikipedia dates from the 16th Century — Nada

Yes because this was the century where it is supposed that they decided organised them as a society. But I guess the meaning of “masonry” has a large recording since ancient times probably just to another secret organisation who wanted fight or threaten the State/Church.

However even if craft guilds were involved in the actions against the Jews it is not clear this can be attributed to the Freemasonry as it is known today. — Nada

It is very hard to attribute something to masonry in terms of historic impact. We all know that George Washington was a mason because he literally joined in the Virginia group and confessed it in his memorials. Also it looked like he was important inside the secret organisation itself. Nevertheless, we do not have the enough documents to prove how important was the masonry in the American independence.
They prefer keep it secret.

People grow up and are socialised to begin to go to the pub, almost as soon as they outgrow the pub. Alcohol is the legal narcotic. — Jack Cummins

Interesting fact about this: I am from Spain and alcohol is legal due to a lot of taxes it produces to the State. It also happens to the tobacco. So I guess my governors think it is worthy having theses substances because despite they are drugs are kind “soft”. Nevertheless my country is not the only one who manages alcohol and tobacco as taxes I guess...

One of the latest trends is therapy online but I am not convinced that this will be enough for many who are struggling. Also, mental health cannot be separated from real problems in the physical world, including poverty and homelessness. — Jack Cummins

Agree with this point. It will not enough online therapy. Also as you said it depends a lot the social context of the patient: additions, poverty, bankruptcy, etc...
But as you explained I do not get about getting related to “community”. Do you mean socialising and having friends, etc...?

There's such a huge difference in valuations and cognition that it makes it impossible to impose your truths on people whose understanding of everything stands in stark contrast to yours. — Nagel

The way of we looking our reality will always contrast others. I guess this happens because there is not exist a worldwide assumed truth at all. It depends a lot of with the way of thinking with the other person you are speaking with.
For example: I don’t believe I can find love hanging out with girl because I never had a girlfriend. Nevertheless, the other person has a girlfriend and responds me I am so “pessimistic” because I am not keep trying. We have here two different realities according two different experiences.
So yes the interpretations dependes a lot from a personal/culture experience. I guess the cleverest movement here is stay neutral when you meet someone so different from you instead of impose our thoughts.

How much of it is really continuous with historic racism, and how much of it is the outlet for today's fears? — frank

I think it is unmeasurable. There a lot of traditions and social ruptures that comes from historic racism. Today’s fears about having in your own country citizens from other cultures dependes of the quality of education level. Some States are used of it for example UK, USA, Canada, etc... others are not so openly like Russia or Japan.

Sure. Here you have an interesting link related of how supposedly masons contributed to the build of cathedrals back in the Middle Ages: http://pedro-mundodebabel.blogspot.com/2014/12/pasajes-de-la-historia-xviii-el-origen.html

It is in Spanish but I guess you can change it in English or whatever language.

did he also encourage racists across the world? — frank

Yes he did. I guess he woke up the beast that was sleeping since 1945 when Second World War ended. It is so complex determine what is a race war and if it actually exists. I think it is related to the context of the country: jobs, rent, economy and other social values. Covid-19 brought us a very big breach in the social pyramid/structure, people lost jobs, GDP losing percentage, companies shutting down...
so when you are in a critical environment, some people prefer to start putting labels and differences to just empower their selfishness. It is common if the easy argument of “they are quitting our jobs”
Which jobs? I guess the lowest paid... because sadly immigrants always have the shittiest jobs of society.
I wish when life comes to normality, we would forget this differences and confrontation between us as humans.

Sorry. I did not explain myself accurately. I referred them as a “cult” due to its secrets. Probably the correct word is society/fraternity.

Nevertheless, untreated mental illness can have a terrible impact, including suicide risk. It would just be so much better if people's difficulties could be addressed at a stage earlier, with a view to people talking about stresses. — Jack Cummins

Probably sometimes mental illness is untreated because it is still a taboo issue in some societies that do not respect the big problem actually means. Since the day we make as ordinary go to the therapist probably the context would change and then we could prevent many risk of mental illnesses as suicide.
I wish one day we start having more exercise of empathy with others and not making bad jokes because they are sad or living a bad moment.
I remember when I was university I was depressed. Nobody understood me and even made fun of me so I felt so lost that I was in the risk to take drugs (LSD). Hopefully I met the right therapist and I didn’t do so and I starting seeing the life with a different point of view. This is why I always recommend go to a therapist when the context starts going wrong.

The people drinking alone, with no one to talk to me may be a whole group needing therapy at some point in the future. — Jack Cummins

Of course this situation will lead many people go to a therapist in the future. Covid-19 and its pandemic taught us how difficult is live in loneliness. All of those who were frequently visiting pubs didn’t know how to pass the shut down properly so they decided drink alone.
I don’t know how much affect drinking alone but I guess it could be so interesting to see in the future how this people interact in society when everything would be again in “normality”. Will they still drinking in house alone or in the pub socially? This point that you commented is so interesting.

Nowadays, this same trap has been transformed into a much more complex and rigid form through the use of the sum of:

Nationality + Religion - or in the case of the Western World, "Ideologies "-. — Gus Lamarch

Yes. Completely. I totally forgot the Religion context. I thought it was needed in the Middle Age but no... we have a lot examples in the present of how Religion divide the individual and then makes conflict against the State: Nigeria (Boko Haram issues with Muslim religion or his constant conflict against the State) Israel vs Palestine (they are conflict for more than 50 years due to religion. Well we can see here another facts as land occupation but it is all related to religion).
I said it was a trap because there are a lot of people out there who literally will give their life for the nation they come from. I think is ridiculous since the day the world is more connected than ever through internet and also abstract things like “customs” are not working in economics. This is the example of European Union (different nations and culture but they have to unite together trying to make a powerful market).

Yet, because I assure you that the objective of the current job market is to use you as much as possible. — Gus Lamarch

Will we work until the 70 or 75 years old? Probably.
Will it disappear the jubilation as we know today? Probably too.

I remember one art psychotherapy saying that the most important aspect of therapy is having the right therapist. Perhaps, part of this is finding someone to relate too, but I would also think that it has a lot to — Jack Cummins

Having the right therapist is a gift. Also I am not here to criticise all the therapists because I would sound so ignorant. Being a professional in something so complex as human psyche could be sometime so difficult to find the “right” solution for each person. Nevertheless, I am agree with you said about knowledge. Yes I guess there actually exists some basic “parameters” which could help each individual and try to find a solution.

That is because emotional suffering does have such a profound influence upon biochemistry — Jack Cummins

This one is so interesting and thank you for clarifying this concept. I guess I spoke in so general terms previously. True, sometimes it is very important the medication but clearly when someone really needs it (as you explain, people that could suffer of psychotic). But those are special cases.
In the other hand, I still maintain the danger of taking so much pills if you can avoid it. I mean, I wish taking this medication would be the las thing to do if it’s necessary.

Does therapy help to the people when they are suffering from depression, negative thoughts, etc...? Of course yes. But in the terms of how it could be improve the therapy itself is quite difficult. I do not have as much as experience as you in this field. But I guess it depends a lot of individual's motivation to change. I can't go to a therapist pretending they are like "wizards" and then they will change my life forever to be happy. This is the main reason why the psyque is so complex I think. Sometimes I don't even know why I feel stress or with lack of motivation so I can't imagine how I have to explain it what happens to my mind to a therapist.

Nevertheless, I think therapy is essential for mental health because it prevents you from taking drugs. I mean all kind of drugs (permitted by pharmaceutical companies like "Prozac" or forbidden by States like weed or heroine). This is exactly what I am wanting to go. Sometimes we all have problems related to mental issues or order that we don't know where to scape for. In this complex context I will always recommend go to a therapist just to being listened by instead of consuming pills and get "quick happiness"

But again I am not so experienced in the world of human suffering and I do not know why sometimes psychiatric recommends taking "prozac" to be "less" depressed.

The more you ask for happiness, the more you will be in suffering

@Anand-Haqq

It can be applied in other kind of abstract meanings in human behaviour. Sometimes this is why the youngest generations feel frustrated for not getting the properly "happiness" why? Because they ask a lot of it.

If you ask for being attractive for a girl/boy, the opposite you will get.
If you ask too much for attention, the rejection you will get.
If you ask too much for happiness you will not be full filled in your life or opportunities.

I guess we have to accept our circumstances and yes working hard to get better every year but not being obsessed with "happiness" because it is quite impossible.

We're really all bequeathing to our children a legacy of ashes. The far-right, ready to demolish the pillars of civil society to get their way, more than any other party

@Count Timothy von Icarus

One of the issues that tear me apart the most is the way new generations (where I am included in) totally forget how difficult in the past was the establishment of peaceful criteria. Ridiculously most of them think this is easy and happened "randomly" through the years having zero confronting with all of those who died/worked hard trying to find a better world to live in.
I like the image you shared. Hard times comes from the context where the educational level is in their lowest. Here is when dictators o emperors labelled the people as "ethnics" or "social classes" with a huge difference between all the citizens included in. They are not strong enough to create a social solution so they just go for the easiest way: Taking advantage of the weakness in terms of education, salary, culture, access to well paid jobs, etc...

I guess "strong" man as you image reflects, are not those who built an empire. Are those who manage it and govern it through the centuries. Roman Empire was clearly a beautiful example of how you must rule a vast territory: Application of law equally in all the lands, acting and fighting by the same flag/state, respect (or at least try to) the Emperor and also having a common language.
Since the day where slowly these started disappearing, Roman Emprie went to their final days. Some other towns got into it with other cultures and destroy it. As Juliua Caesar said devide et vinces
Roman Empire was divided in 476, then disappeared through the years.

Also good times never will create "weak men" this is another debate. I do not want go tangent from your topic but it is interesting to debate about why some people think that in peaceful times the citizens and States go "weaker"

The laws of physics are indifferent to time-reversal so what kind of language we apply to forward or backward in this case is only our purely linguistic decision and it has no impact on the reality of the situation. — antor

Thank you for sharing your thoughts from a professional point of view as physicist. But it is interesting how dependens the notion of "time" in our reality when we introduce it in the vocabulary.
I guess it is impossible to fraction the time, i.e "30 minutes less to end the class" or "how the life flies by" etc...
Probably it isn't impact in terms of reality but it makes a huge impact in our days and living. We fraction the time just to make a chronological order and then make the life "easier" this is another example of how the humankind can be so abstract sometimes. Why the year is ordered by 12 months? Why are we exactly in "2021"? Etc...
Speak about time not only in science but in philosophy is so interesting from my point of view and I guess it is not dead as Einstein or Bergson proposed.

I would conclude that the secrets and specificities of Freemasonry have been so diluted for so long and for so many different cultures, that it is impossible to truly know its dogmas and its own internal culture — Gus Lamarch

This was one of the mistakes from the cultures and nations over the years. I guess they misunderstood the way of acting from the masonry. It was just another cult but it is plagued of overrated legends or myths that are not even proven.
You put the example of Wall of Theodosius. I am full agree with you that probably masons were somehow part of it. But I guess they were part of barely most of historical moments in the civilization. I put another example: when Spain conquered the Peninsula and kicked off the jews and Muslims. It is known that probably masonry was part of the "strategy" or somehow had an important role.

Nevertheless, this is organisation is so secret that we cannot clearly put historical information on the table and then prove it. This is why is full of truths and myths/legends.

This is so interesting. I like how you explained it as the Cosmos is entangled itself. It is hard to understand a vast topic like Cosmos and its varieties.
I think this is where it coincides all the possible debates: philosophy, physics, mathematics, etc... We put basic vocabulary to this vast topic saying "whole Cosmos" as monism/primary and then all the parts as pluralism as you explained previously.

While I understand that humans tend to like labeling and categorizing things — GTTRPNK

Absolutely. We the humans always had to labeled and categorized things just to make an order in our living context. Not only in gender but in time, seizure, ethnics, nations, etc...
Nevertheless, as you put the example of your friend that sometimes we have other cases that are not in the "order" I guess the pronoun usage will be more showed in the future because we are taking the reality furthermore than basic labels like "he/she" patrons....

I do not know if this is needed as you ask. It depends of your friend and other non-binary people way if see it. I guess they choose this patron or "label" because it is the one which fits the most with them. If it is helpful to them who are the ones what are living it, it is helpful then.

which evolved to a "belonging to the State" - Classical Age -. — Gus Lamarch

Here is where we find for the first time the feeling of "nationalism" I belong to x State because my identity, culture, customs, language were born here. But I think it is just another trap. As you said previously it is difficult to quickly change a statement that was ruling on the world during 5,000 years.
Yes, probably today we will not die in our works for the conditions or lack of rights but... It terrifying looks like so similar like in the older ages.

Avoid selfishness in this world is so difficult. I guess it is even more difficult than ever because we are living an era where the "strongest" has "success" and doesn't matter how is living the other part. There is no empathy. Just look the vaccine of Coronavirus. I wish as you say after the pandemic change the way of thinking and then probably (just probably) make a great transition in governments

Freemasonry may have played a role in the separation between church and state. — Metaphysician Undercover

Absolutely. They played an important role against the Church as a system of fight powers. But in this context we also have protestantism and Henry VIII opposing against the Church/Clergy.
But we both agree here that one of the doubtful things about masonry is being that secret. This is the main reason why is full of legends and not analysis or scientific theories.

The elites who remain in power with political power only remain because the "individual" has been dominated by the structure. — Gus Lamarch

True. Very well said this point. But somehow the structure was always evolving to lead us here where we are. Back in the day even in the Roman Empire slavery was legal also there weren't paid jobs, property, representation in institutions, etc... I think it was more clear how the powerful ones was ruling out the structure or "State"

We can think now everything changed. But you know we have in an interesting paradox of seeing ourselves as citizens: Are we still slaves to the powerful elites? Like back in the Roman Empire no, but... Capitalism drove us in a social structure where you have to work a lot of hours to just pay your bills and if you do not do so you are unemployed or worse in the street while the "Elites" are richer than ever, making the social pyramid structure thicker and having their income in secret bank countries like Andorra or Bermudas.
They changed the way of thinking but not the role since the Roman Empire.

This quote drives me to another one from the Argentinian writer Jorge Luis Borges when he said about Bible: "it is a good novel to read to" referring it just as a normal "book" not a holy one.

Aren't we all "people of color?" — TiredThinker

Absolutely we all are people of colour. It is even of how the media wants to categorized the people themselves. I am agree with you that it can be so offensive when an African is called "people of color" instead of saying black.
They are black. That's all. We have to call the people by their true names. I am Hispanic so yeah I am brown or "spaniard" but not a "guy of color" pretending I am so different from a white man.
Nevertheless, sometimes it is true how media, again, uses this terms. I. E. One gang of "black" people stole yesterday a store, etc... Why they use the black word in that news? It is literally pejorative. So I guess the solution of avoiding this kind of categories is stopping the fact of dividing people due to their races.

Of course we all have different skin colours. But this is what makes us unique. If I see a an African I'd call him black or African not "color person."
As if the word "black" is forbidden or something.

luck hypothesis becomes too ridiculous to believe. — RogueAI

But you would have left the game long before that, because while luck is an explanation, after x number of royal flushes, luck stops being a good explanation. — RogueAI

Exactly! This is why is so beautiful and interesting this topic. How many x in a row have we to consider as the player is cheating? Probably this is due (as you well said) of how difficult is to believe something or someone is “perfectly” lucky. But somehow the human specie is so lucky itself. We have to remember here how our ancestors had evolved until we are here without any lethal fatality (I.e what happened with dinosaurs and its deceased).

Also it is interesting because it reflects what cosmologists explain as you share in the link. It is ridiculously perfect the density of matter and energy.

however, the elites pre-established by the State always end up using collectivism, because with collectivism, you destroy individualism and maintain the structure intact, which keeps them in full control of political power. — Gus Lamarch

Elites always have been one of the troubles that we the citizens have to face in the government. When you deposit your vote in an urn you think you are doing it to change the government for better. Nevertheless the reality is so different. We have to face some interests or powers that are literally occult from our eyes.
Exactly in this point we can point some classical organisations as Elites: richest, lords, masons, etc...

So here we end up in a dilemma of empowering our presence inside the government as a collective. Maybe yes we have our representatives but literally you cannot develop the rule of law and so called “State” “Senate” without this kind of elitist powerful bases

The only two moves the materialist can make to avoid the inevitable conclusion the universe was designed is to assert the existence of an unproveable unfalsifiable immensely large multiverse full of universes with different physical constants, and we're just one of the lucky ones, or it's all a simulation. — RogueAI

It is one of the most beautiful topics to debate about. Do we live in a simulated universe/world? Well I guess in this point it is all about of how we are perceived by others and sadly we do not have it yet. I mean, being seen from other communities or intellectuals citizens of how they see the Earth and also the individuals living there (we the humans).
As you pointed out we have to assert unprovable large multiverse full with physical constants. Here I have to say that I go for the path of lucky ones. It can happen for just a chain of clever “accidents” which lead us in how we perceive the universe we live in as “square”, “Pi number” “hole” and other physical criteria we the humans established as our order.

No. All an atheist is is a person who doesn't believe there are sufficient reason to believe in any form of God. @Tom Storm

This is just one of the multiple reasons in atheism thought. Yes they believe there are not sufficient reason for having a credit in "God" and all representatives. Nevertheless, there are also another kind of atheists who think there is nothing afterwards.
It is valid your point when you say it can exist atheist which believes in astrology, but this is just another path to avoid the belief in God as much as the ones who don't believe in anything at all.

The word of “ancient” in our vocabulary dependes a lot in how we established the perception of time around the human evolution. We use today the Gregorian calendar as everyone knows. As you well asked

What about fifthy thousand?
or five hundred thousand? — young god

I guess this is just order in our perception of reality inside of history.

What I mean here is this: Ancient world is known that historic because it is around “before Christ” time lapse. Everything in history which we have evidence that happened in the past like Greek, Romans or Egyptians and its complexity are organised in “Ancient world” because it was literally an ancient phenomena until the Gregorian calendar appeared, i.e. Mycenaean Greek goes from 1400 to 1200 BF.

So it doesn’t matter here if that villages ever knew they were the “ancient ones”. It is something historian accorded to do for put an order in our chronology.

Believing that you have a choice makers life more interesting — MondoR

This is the point where free will stands heavy in its position. Sometimes we tend to think and work that everything around us can be controlled by our own skills and behaviour. If you believe you can change the situation with effort it makes living the life a worthy and beautiful feeling as @MondoR well said previously.
Nevertheless, this can make a good debate inside of free will (I do not want go for a tangent) and determinism. I guess if you put more emphasis in your own circumstances and trying to get a “better” situation you somehow make “determinism” weak because you have the control of present and what could the future holds.

So it is interesting how free will can be/or not be a good example of how to face predetermined criteria.

Atheists do not believe only in God but in other type of subterfuge to understand something that complex like death or “life after death”. They are just living without the starting point of a superior abstract figure like God, i.e “I passed this difficult exam because I studied hard the last week but I do not pray to God because I do not believe in his circumstances. It is just myself and move along”
I guess another point of atheism here is the concept of “heaven”. It is basically for religious citizens the paradise afterward your life ends. But here, atheists do not even believe in the fact that when you die you will be in a dilema if you go to “hell” or “heaven” due to God’s decision. They think there is nothing afterwards that’s all.
So I guess not believing in any kind of God goes further than “not having any proof of his existence”

True "individual" died when the State was born, since the focus of society was no longer the Unique, but rather the citizen - aka, the concept that represents the individual as being intrinsic property of the government. Thing that it is not -. — Gus Lamarch

This point is so important. Yes individualism dead when the State was born. But is due to about how complex the society is. This why we need to create a concept an abstract term like government to provide us how useful the State is. The rule of law is very important because we can force to live in a society where we can respect each other.
Also, yes, it is completely flawed our system. I guess we never will have a perfect system because it doesn’t exist at all. Are we the humans perfect? NO. Thus, we can never have a perfect relationship between state-citizens.

Un gran saludo Miguel, ¡que bueno encontrar compatriotas en un mismo foro de cultura!

Are we actually saying the same thing, not just using the same word?

@Book273

Literally this one of the most interesting facts in human knowledge. How the different languages can describe exactly the same but with different words. I also think as you perfectly explained that it is the beauty and the flaw at the same time. I am from Spain and Spanish language is full of extraordinary words that depends in which country you actually are, i.e. It is not same the Spanish vocabulary between Spain and hispoamerciano countries like Chile, Mexico, Costa Rica, etc...
Even is about the interpretation in the colour itself. Example: When a house with its floor and fences are made of clay we say is "rojizo" house. In Mexico or Chile they would say "colorado".
Putting emphasis as the same example of English words you wrote previously.

I see are likely not the shade you see, although all are accurate. Cool eh! wow! This one is so cool. Another different glance from the same reality. Nevertheless I so sorry for your chemical accident back in the day.

It is one of the worldwide leadership goals the strategy of how we can live in a world full of people or overpopulated. In my humble opinion it is not about natural resources or how bad is the capitalism. It is all about of how cleverly we can order the citizens in the towns. We have a such problem here because while you have a lot of people living in the metropolitan area you have less people in the rural one.

Check here my country (Spain). You can clearly see how the metropolitan area is so crowded while the rural or towns look like abandoned. We have to try to find a system where the urbanism would work as equal as possible. Trying to avoid the feeling of "If I were born in the rural area I have to go to the city to become well formed and developed,etc...
So I guess the point here is building more urbanity in the abandoned areas developing the same opportunities as the metropolitan areas.

This is the example of my country where you can see the huge difference urban/rural administration.

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I guess we are getting into the same point when exactly you pointed out this: They could be "Fish" (the colour formerly known as Red)+ "Beer" (the colour formerly known as Yellow)= "Pelican" (the Colour formerly known as Orange). If this were accepted nomenclature by enough people then the phrase
Well this is what I want to go for. It is so interesting how the human behaviour always wanted to put arbitrary words to phenomenons. In this example of colours we can see one of the principles of human acceptance due to customs.
If we say "red" to a colour is just because previously we were taught the phenomena in basic vocabulary.

Nevertheless, this is so paradoxical because there are people which literally sees "blue" instead of "green" and we classified these as "colour blindness" because they are wrong of their interpretation of colour phenomena. So we can say that basic vocabulary is the phenomenons are like a rule of law because you cannot change it by your own. It is so acceptable that instead of saying "red" we say "bike" but the people will not accept because it would make a chaos in their customs (Imagine how crazy it would be when colours are so relevant in all cultures around the world).

I think the mystery of existence necessarily points to something beyond our everyday experience. That is, recognizing the existence of God is the rational inference from our being here, in my opinion. — Photios

This point is so interesting. I respect your opinion of proof rational existence when you believe in God as something that powerful which reminds you are “here” and then, gives answers to our perpetual question and mystery of existing.
Nevertheless, there is a debate here because Descartes purposed the idea of cogito ergo sum. If I am aware, I exist as a human because it makes me feel “alive” of myself. So in this statement sometimes you do not even need a subterfuge to proof you are here or your existence itself.

Well this opens of course another debate about existentialism which can leads us in a tangent about the original debate or maybe like a circle it drives us to the starting point.

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However, I do not see the human being as someone of a "collective" nature, but instead, of "individual" nature

@Gus Lamarch

I wish one day we can say we are allowed to live in individualism. I guess in today's world and society is really difficult. It is interesting here how Karl Marx defended in his "communist" theories that is completely impossible to be a human by "yourself" meaning that the humankind by nature is forced to live in communities and social interaction. Those, are ruled by the law and then the government we "vote"
But why this happen? I guess (as I have shared previously with you) in a negative way that we need this abstract political figure called "State" to just controll or better said "preserve" us in the social community. There are citizens who robb, murder, evade taxes, etc... I mean these type of people which clearly do not want to share in the community. Well the government is there to enforce their duties to stay in the State.
For this reason if you do not accept the rules the government with the state will punish you with jail, fines, etc...

Personally, I do believe that a major aspect of acceptance of an idea does depend on our motivation, to some extent. — Jack Cummins

True! But sometimes motivation in our personal ideas goes dawn and you can feel the stress about to giving up. I guess this is the key where philosophy/religion/dogma, etc... show up to confront ourselves like “everything going to be ok. Move on and believe”
Nevertheless, it is interesting the nihilism criteria where sometimes one of us led into it. Why should we have a motivation in something? Why do not just live without emphasis? I guess this kind people who is very deep in nihilism probably is due to lack of goals and perspectives. So does humanity have as innate the feeling of pursuing dreams/goals?

Government = The consequent system of humanity's free and successful interactions per individual.

This statement is so interesting. You are considering the government as a "consequence" no as a need or must. If it exists in today's society the modern term of "governance" is due to human's behaviour. You say freedom and success. I would say selfishness, fear, balance and moderation into the nature of humankind. Every citizen wants to be "free" but how free? This is when the government appears.
The system of "rule of law" will limit us in the behaviour inside of the state. Therefore, the government wants to put limits in our nature.
It is comprehensive.

This question reminds me a lot from an anime called "Psycho-Pass" where the citizens were controlled by a machine called "Dominator". It reflects your behaviour in colours pattern. If it's white you have the right to stay in the society if it is red you are "dangerous" and you do not deserve being part of it. At the end of the day this system went broken because it is impossible to determinate something as complex as human behaviour by a computer/system.
Abstract and complex theories like law, equality, legislation, governance, rights, taxes, etc... Can't be identified by a computer/robot system as a "0/1 pattern" or algorithms. It depends a lot of where are you living: Countries whose rule of law is a constitution/countries whose rule of law is God or religion (for example Morocco or Israel). So in this fact it will be impossible to determinate equality or governance since the moment where the meaning of those terms are differently interpreted by the governors.