I the beginning... What if there was no beginning? What if every beginning is manmade?

Prishon is a pain in the ass — T Clark

Prishon say: pain in the aaaaass. Auw!

another example of the malady I was referring to - delegitimizing an argument without good reason because you don't like it.

:ok:

Don't be a troll, — tim wood

Sigh... the usual accusation.

Prishon say: troooooolls. Likey likey

But the question is begged — Constance

Not if there is an eternal universe. A 4d spatial static substrate on which our universe evolves. And a next one.
There was a fluctuating time before it took of in one direction (entropic time).

Is too. — T Clark

Partially. It does indeed deal with creation.

. I meant insubstantial — tim wood

Thats because you dont understand.

If it is about whether things can exist beyond our conception of it and language — Samuel Lacrampe

Yes they can.

Religion generally deals with issues of the origins and nature of reality, ontology, — T Clark

Not true.

seem as good as any. — tim wood

"Seem". Indeed. Seem...

glib — tim wood

Whats glib about them. GLIBberrig in Dutch means slippery. Whats slippery about them?

Wheeler said "it from bit", whilst Tononi sees everything as "integrated information", and tries to measure it with phi. — Pop

What did Wheeler mean by that? What is phi? What is measured? Can you measure a pattern? Say a square or a circle? What are the bits of a circle? What is intergated information.

Prishon already lucky with one answer!

What should be fixed still?

I have changed the question already long time ago.

The other, what was there before there were beings for which being was an issue? — tim wood

Prishon say: trinity undivided.

Exactly! :wink: — Gnomon

Prishon say: rightydididili! :smile:

Yes, your inner world is certainly not part of the physical universe. But this reality does not rest in the body-brain — Alkis Piskas

The inner world, being the expression of essence only, is the content of the physical matter. That what you see if you look to my brain. You see the difference, I feel the difference.

Yes, of course, but that is an old, tried and true device used by philosophers to illustrate certain points of truth. — Michael Zwingli

??? How can you know the truth by using something that can never exist?

See the question about the big bang. There is no beginning. The universe is eternal. Once in a while, when the remnants of a big bang have fled into infinity, there are only fluctuating (virtual) quantum fields in spacetime. Giving rise to excitement. ie, reality. After new inflation (new big bang).

So other persons' bodies are not part of your environment — Alkis Piskas

I didnt say that. Other people as well as animals, are in between the two worlds. For you, my body is part of your physical world. And you can look at my brain like being part of it as well (neural scans, brain wave detectors, drug behavior in my brain, etc.). But for me, being the body that types to you now, the "essence, magical" part of the dual stuff has expressed in my inner world. You can never feel what I (my body) see in this inner world (thoughts, imagination, which resolves the issue who thinks: thoughts just are part of my inner world and I see them; no one does the thinking; my thoughts are not mine, though I can love some of them and consider them mine or likable as the thoughts I have right now).

85 billion of war — Christoffer

Prishon say Tesla sir can start his own big war. Tesla man enough money have to make big war. Prishon say: "misser Tesla for predisent! Beat crap out bat men!"Prisho sa....PRISHON! STAY PUT!

OK, but I asked you: "But what about the other bodies that you see around?" Where do they belong? — Alkis Piskas

They stay, like me, between their inner world and their outer, physical world. We share things about that outer world and inner world. We share similar outer worlds and inner worlds.

Whats the thing with a pencil? The death of a pencil? Huh?

and also emotions which evoke the readers' imaginations — Corvus

You can look right through me it seems... Im a quite emotional guy and sometimes I indeed feel the tears pressing. Be they of a good vibe (with you), a bad vibe (not so good in some situations), or tears of pure boredom! :cry:

The key is, that the creation of information involves abstracting data from phenomena — Michael Zwingli

Which data?

It shows you that the posts we write here convey meanings, and also emotions which evoke the readers' imaginations — Corvus

Strange... I partook in a discourse about the brain, consciousness, the self (where, who and what they are) and all that kinda stuff, and you say about all there is to it in this one sentence above...

Yeah. And who am I to tell them the way they live (more more more inflated profit to buy bigger bigger bigger more more more advanced stuff) will inevitably lead to less les less biodiversity? Not only climate change. Just look at the face of the Earth. Is there really a scientific tech solution for all priblems? Dont think so!

Prishon say many peopes wanna more more more. And many peopes have nothing nothing nothing. Prishon say no likey likey this! Peoples must be good to all animals and trees. Peoples must share. Evebody must get same or enough! Take care for blu sky too! Prishon likey blu sky with butflies!

It shows you that the posts we write here convey meanings, and also emotions which evoke the readers' imaginations — Corvus

Indeed! :grin:

Thanks. We had nicely baked bread, meat and soup. :yum: Hope you had a great lunch. — Corvus

Sounds good! We had (have) bread for lunch. With fresh peanut butter. Fatty and juicy. With good, eeeehh, non-saturated fats? Our dog waggles her tail to you! :razz:

Prishon says th... NO PRISHON! SIT!

I have no idea; all I know is infinitesimals are like near death experiences: deadish but not quite dead, if you know what I mean. — TheMadFool

Yes. Newton and consortes did indeed introduce near-death or even death experiences, introducing them! Those unlucky kids at high school having to absorb them. Good if they wanna commit suicide. Thats the sunny side maybe.

I don't see how you derive this conclusion — Metaphysician Undercover

Well, if space is not continuous, arent there gaps to stop the motio? Of course discrete space is not constructed by gluing together planck sized chuncks. Its more complicated.

Well, bodies are already part of the environment, the physical world, aren't they? — Alkis Piskas

I dont think so. Whats around my body is my environment.

You are your hands and your feet? — Alkis Piskas

Not only that. I am my legs, mu face, my back that itches for which I use a found stick to scratch, my nose, my ears, my belly, my toes, etc. That all is the true me. All things happening in the brain are part of an inner world, like the sun is part of the physical world outside, the outer world. Whats wrong with being a body?

"Rishon says its nice what says Rishon. But what mean trinity? Rishon can xplain? "

Yes Rishon, Rishon can but there is magic too.

"Rishon ask, what is magic? Magic evil man? Magic nice man? Magic likey likey Rishon?"

Yes Rishon, you will like magic.

"Why Rishon liky likey magic"

You just like it Rishon.

Thinking is done by and in the mind. The mind is not the brain. The mind is a communication and control system between the spirit (soul) and its environment. In order to achieve this, it uses the brain. One way in which this is done is by thinking. Thought has no mass or energy --so it is not part of the physical universe-- but it can produce mass and energy. This mass and energy is transmitted as signals and/or waves to the brain. The brain then process them and according to their kind, it sends itself signals and/or waves through neurons to the remaining body or as feedback, back to the mind. — Alkis Piskas

"The mind is a communication and control system between the spirit (soul) and its environment"

Its the body thats between the soirit and the environment.

"The mind is not the brain"

Correct. But its inside the brain (central nervous system radiating out to the body.

"In order to achieve this" (communication between the two worlds) ", it uses the brain."

The body is used for this. The true you.

"One way in which this is done is by thinking. Thought has no mass or energy --so it is not part of the physical universe-- but it can produce mass and energy. This mass and energy is transmitted as signals and/or waves to the brain. The brain then process them and according to their kind, it sends itself signals and/or waves through neurons to the remaining body or as feedback, back to the mind"

Thoughts have a mass as well as an essence, though in the inner world only the essence is seen and felt or heard.
It can produce energy in the body to express itself by language, be it spoken, screamed, or bodily language.

So, I would like please to disconnect this statement from my name! Really, it is unfair, embarassing and annoying! Thank you. — Alkis Piskas

I corrected. Thanks for making me know. I thought you were a opponent of stored memories.

Junk indeed, all paid for by big oil no doubt — Olivier5

To go on as usual.

Junk. — Banno

Indeed! There ia also made the claim (by the ones criticising that theory though)

"During the last hundred years the temperature is increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide"

A bit too little.

Quando sarebbe un magico ti fosse fatto un bel grande gelato. E una favola! :starstruck:


Is it pizza time already? I always imagine you sitting in an office, doing philosophy while working...

Damned! I gotta slow down! I have posted almost 900 comments in 10 days...

Prishon say good essersise. Prishon wanna go for 1000! Pri... PRISHOOOON....!

95% of CO2 comes from natural sources, such volcanoes or natural decomposition processes. The human contribution of CO2 in the atmosphere is only .0016 percent. www. — Neri

Maybe enough! In chaos theory a tiny variation can cause huge non-linear effects.

↪Prishon
OK. I took it as a correction of a mistaken English expression! :smile: — Alkis Piskas

The brain...

Some memory seems to be stored in cells/tissues outside of the brain, in other parts of the body

This was a statement made by @MichaelZwingly. There are no memories stored. Only connective strengths to enable memories to flow. And they are flowing continuously. Conscious or not. The central nervous system radiates into the body, so...

It was given as a "brain fact" in a program for children that the brain has a storage capacity of 20 000 Gb... No brain fact!