Art is a manifestation of self organizing — Constance

Please! Don't start also! I mean, @Pop is a nice guy (girl?) but one pop is more than enough... :grin:

Science isn't a self-correcting system though, because it needs guidance from theory and hypothesis
— Metaphysician Undercover
Where's the logic in that? — Wheatley

It means that it is not self-contained.

....”thing” here relates, albeit euphemistically, to “Enlightenment”, not a human. — Mww

But if human is an Enlightenment Thing, aint it a thing? Whats an enlightenment thing? A way of enlightened thinking (according to science and scientific ratio)? Is a human founded in enlightenment?

So humans are as complex as the whole of nature.
Is that true of every creature?
Sounds intriguing. — Yohan

In fact, every process in Nature can be represented in the human brain. We have virtual infinite memory capacity (in fact a 1 followed by 10exp40 zeros!).

No, I'm talking about "smiling depression": — baker

I had a hard time hiding it. When Corona came along I could use it as a nice excuse to stay indoors. I didn't leave the house for eight months. Didn't sleep for 4 months! I quit my med cold turkey. Now I feel freed and the beast of depression, that depressing animal, doesnt return. Im sure!

Is this a confident intuition? — Yohan

It's reality.

Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee, That mordiously hath blurted out, Its earted jurtles, grumbling Into a rancid festering confectious organ squealer. [drowned out by moaning and screaming] Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles, Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts, And living glupules frart and stipulate, Like jowling meated liverslime, Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me, With crinkly bindlewurdles,mashurbitries. Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, See if I don't!
RIP Douglas Adams — Constance

Is this someone's epitap (epithap?)?

You said "To give a fresh recount is always productive. You say yourself you changed."
OK? Bye again! — Alkis Piskas

But what's the change? Change in the true reality

The only human “thing”, is its body, as — Mww

Indeed! But what a thing! Neither matter neither soul. But both at the same time! Between the soul of the brain and the matter of the outside physical world! With eyes to see and cry and express, ears to hear, a mouth to speak, shout, and sing, and two hands to type you this. All informative patterns with an entropy value that expresses not much.

I was asking questions about decay. I am not sure if you are seconding my questions or disagreeing with something

Im not sure what decay you are looking for...

An analysis/critique:

Yeah, but that may be just to dig a deeper hole. — Mww

That's what philosopphy is all about: Diggin holes.

Being human can be a general objective proposition, a universal form — Mww

It can be. To me, being human is the full realization of the potentialls Nature offers us, in the sattisfied and fulfilled knowledge (whatever that means) that the gods are quietly contemplating their creation of eternity and infinity. Being human can be universal or Solar-systematic.

if you’re into the Greek thing — Mww

I like their old ancient gods. These turned into one super monster by Xenophanes and this laying the foundations for the modern notion of one scientifically investigable reality is less sattisfactory.

empirical anthropology — Mww

Scientific culture should be subjected to it!

sputterchokegasp — Mww

Poetry!

A human, which is a strictly Enlightenment thing, which reduces to proper subjective metaphysics. — Mww

I don't agree. A human is more than a thing..

Pick yer own poison, I guess, right? — Mww

Cheers mate!

:smile:

The gods
In their spotting
Are the only ones
Non-rotting
While every
eternity
Bloodery
Or nitty
Nor witty
Rots to the bone
Their flesh stays young
Like their every tone
In the waters of heaven
In the aromas of hell
On Stratford on Avon
In all that they tell
Their creation runs freely
At least, so it should
Like Dan oh so Steely
Down there under the Hood
Consider them dead though
As our friend once proclaimed
Give it a go bro
Nihilistically maimed
Dwelling the Earths
Undetermined and steady
Finding love on the road
Route 66
Lacks a 6 at the end
Or at the beginning
Is it that what they meant
And made us write down
The points that we do
Or faces that frown
And on and on and on
On and on and on
And on and on and on
And on and on and on it goes
On and on and on
Oh and on and on
Yay bro's
On and on on tippy toes
Thankfull am I
They made it all happen
That I walk on and by
Them so I reackon
I tell them to screw
Turn the blind eye in them
The big bangs they blew
An Inflation divine gem

All hail to the western gods...
God damn them!
Against the odds
Can't standem!

The problem is that people can forget that it's just a model. In other words the model used starts to be the reality. — ssu

You mean the model of lògical positivism?

I need something to do in the cave. Bonus, no reverb — Fooloso4

The cave makes its own reverb. Rewording the sound. Would be nice to play in a real stalagtite cave.

Admittedly, the subject effectively changes from “human being” to “being human”, — Mww

:100:

we have no evidence for any part of the human being other than the body (the"soul", for instance). — Michael Zwingli

What about me seeing color, feeling emotions or love, feeling sorry for other people, or playing joyfully with my puppy dog? Aint that proof?

I believe that idea systems within the Native American, Celtic and other systems adopt more of a shamanic model, with more of an emphasis on transforming this life as opposed to the way in which mainstream religions often present rigid dogmas and doctrines concerning salvation and ideas of a reward in a life after this one. — Jack Cummins

I hear Jim Morrison talking here. "Mr Mojo Risin"...

but I come from the perspective of having been socialised within these traditions. — Jack Cummins

Set yourself free! If you like, want, and can...

:smile:

I think what is meant that Bohr didn't address the Nature of reality anymore. It's that in which science, physics in particular, is (normally) interested. Instead Bohr had that positive "shut up and calculate" attitude. Only what we know matters. So he preaches.

Based upon all the evidence that we have, the objective human being is simply that body existing as an object within objective reality, which I usually like to call "the universe", even though it also comprises space, and whatever may exist within space, which is as yet impossible for us to discern, outside of our universe...perhaps other distant "universes" (which would make our "universe" but one element of a "multiverse"). — Michael Zwingli

What evidence?

You can also see the whole physical universe as a part of you. Like your brain and nose. Like that you is everything. A limitation is required though. The kimits are constituted by my body, in tight and non-separable connection with the inside world (the brain( and the physical universe, the outside world.

Nature as a whole being far more complex than us, is likely to be more conscious than us?
— Yohan — TheMadFool

Nature is not far more complex than we are. Bigger yes, that She is.

I would say that the brain is part of the "real me", by my objective self, but something that is had by the subjective "I". — Michael Zwingli

So the real you is the brain and body combined? Even including the outside physical world?

So Christians tailored their message so it would appeal to slaves an all sort of other outcasts and, basically, united them under their banned. Pretty much what the left is doing in the US/EU right now. — stoicHoneyBadger

To which modern slaves you refer? Loan slaves?

Ask Hypatia. — Banno

What has she got to do with brotherly love?

So, what's an example from another discipline in science? What is the general rule broken or mispractice of Bohr? — Bylaw

Why you think Bohr broke a rule? Isn't rule breaking required to make substatial progress?

I had one book of him! About panpsychism. The guy is great. In any case non-standard! I dont agree volatile stars are an explanation of dark matter.

Thanks for the link! :smile:

I can make the prediction that in 200 years everybody participating in this Forum now will be dead. — ssu

:victory:

The decay of science brought scientists to the point of burning scientific books. In a NY garbage incinerator!!!

and so Christianity did not destroy classical literature. Is that your argument? — Banno

No, but intolerance is not limited to or invented by Christianity. It's just a nasty human quality. Science is the most intolerant culture. Inconsistent? So be it!

OK. Bye. — Alkis Piskas

Is that all you have to say? People often do that after I said something. Saying goodbye.

Are climate models are more accurate than the weekly horoscopes? — stoicHoneyBadger

Yes. Absolutely. In personal affairs astrologists perform better than scientists though.

Well, if it's artificial stupidity, then it ain't real stupidity. — baker

The artificial is really very real. Look at plastic. Or is plastic only real when you're real sick?

To give a fresh recount is always productive. You say yourself you changed. :smile:

such as there might be lots of 'schools' of astrology. — stoicHoneyBadger

All these astrology schools make different predictions. Which one is the right one? Are these predictions self-fulfilling? Who knows? Im no astrologist. In the case of climate I trust science models. The subject matter is best approached by science of the atmosphere (music of the atmosphers...). Not by astrology. Although very complex, predictions can be made and they are already coming through (though I already in my younger days thought bad things were inevitable, without knowing the exact science). Are you a climatologist in disguise?

If only Aristotle and Plato (A&P) knew modern physics and math... The cave, the shadows, the light, the mathematics assumed to exist in a metaphysical realm (like angels in a heaven), the dusty mirror and its Platonic splendor, the down-to-Earthness of A, A&P's relationship, their combined intellect, and their friendship, would have produced tears forming a fuel for modern day rockets. The teardrops explode.

Maybe. I don't keep up anymore!
So, what is in fashion these days? :smile: — Alkis Piskas

A 1000 brains.

Not me! — Wheatley

I had the impression already! :smile:

in my thesis — Alkis Piskas

Can you state your thesis (again...) in a concise way? Who is you?

I would say docile, compliant, or easily influenced. Sheeple is an insult to sheep.