Do you want to discuss the Bible being a Rorschach test or not?

I didn't mean that in an offense way, by the way. I'm just a bit confused about this conversation. Also a bit confused in general :D.

Well of course. We're all fallible. With or without glass. This idea of perfection and absence of imperfections is really outdated in my opinion. The Matrix is from 1999. Perhaps perfection is something from a previous age.

It's a funny idea. About the Bible being a Rorschach-test. So basically you're saying that the stories are not factually based, so therefore it's all about the readers' interpretation. Well, historians believe that The Buddha, The Muhammad, The Jesus etc. all existed at some point in history. But the religious texts could very well be FICTION. Why not?

My neighbour and I always joke about our depressive episodes. She used to be in a group for suicidal people. I don't need that to feel good about myself. I used to pray to God: okay, I'm ready, you can take me tonight. Next morning: 'Fuck, I'm still here :mask:

Well, I don't know. I'm trying to find out what I actually mean. There are also other definitions of collective consciousnesses. Unconscious, subconscious etc. You could call me a psychonaut, as our dear friend so aptly calls it. Explorer of life, for I don't know if my consciousness will continue outside of this body of mine.

Thank you for the relevant and timely post on a subject that is of the upmost importance to our world today, with so many mystics stepping into their own power(s). — Bret Bernhoft

I'm glad you experience it too. Talked to my parents about mysticism for the first time yesterday. My dad looked happy, as if he had waited for this affirmation for a long time. My mother wanted to know what I specifically meant. She's very rational. But it was good.

There's definitely a difference between my psychoses and mystical experiences. My first psychosis was a disaster, it was traumatic for a lot of people and there was nothing mystical about it. Complete insanity.
My second psychosis was also insane, but there was at least some divine aspect to it. And parts of it I cherish. The third psychosis was never diagnosed. But again complete insanity. God it took me so long to recover. I'm glad I'm not in therapy, on medication or institutionalized anymore.

I'm also talking about archetypes. For example, many people know who Superman is. Or have some vague notion at least. We could say that Superman is an archetype. These days there are many cartoon characters that are recognized by the majority. For example Super Mario and Pikachu by video game company Nintendo.

Yes. Usually we talk about 'the war', which refers to the Second World War. Then often the Holocaust is mentioned or implied. We assume that many people on Earth know about those events. Therefore we say it's part of the collective consciousness. Another example is Michael Jackson. We assume that most people know who Michael Jackson is or was.

Well don't disseminate me, Agent Smith!

amazing. Love the salience here ^^

Yes. Or no. I don't know, I really need more time. :chin:

Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue? Where is the frenzy with which ye should be inoculated? — Zarathustra

I have other beings to lick me with their tongues. :)

Where I come from and live (Netherlands) this concept is taught in school and on the national news. People often say: It's part of the collective consciousness. That's why I've never doubted or questioned its existence. But maybe we're wrong.

Obviously. Well, we've got plenty of time to dive deep on these ones. Survived the pandemic and no plans of kicking the bucket anytime soon.

And I hadn't thanked you for creating these threads. They're truly great

You're welcome :). It's fascinating. And so are you :)

Also, my cat is absolutely fascinated by this TED-video about the Rorschach Test.

https://youtu.be/LYi19-Vx6go

No, certainly not. I have a long history of psychology and psychiatry. This changes my opinion for the positive. Thank you

That is absolutely amazing and fascinating. I will get back to you about this Rorschach Test!

The way that the collective consciousness of planet Earth evolves. LOL :)

That is the common conception of the book of Apocalypse. But it is mostly about Jesus Christ. However, it is written in a very cryptic, allegorical and metaphorical way. Not denying the aspects of death and destruction. There's just more in there than that.

Lol, my brother is the mathematician. I don't know what fractals are. I guess what I mean is going through all the feelings & emotions in the book of Apocalypse. And then putting the book aside and realizing you're OK. :)

I'm drowning myself in this melancholic song. Don't know why. Maybe I'm trying to connect to you

I've had psychoses, psychedelics, shamanic telepathy (looking through an animal) and a whole lot of other things. I used to go to floatation tanks to calm my nerves. It worked really well. Wouldn't call it a mystical experience though. Just a deep and profound relaxation. Yours sounds a little less pleasant, or am I wrong?

This rings true. The Mad Pride movement is an effort to reenvision the relation of the sane and the mad. — ZzzoneiroCosm

I'm not opposed to psychiatry and psychology. Indeed, it has benefited me a lot. But the idea that these are absolute truths like the laws of physics is just preposterous. And absolutely outrageous

Okay, let's give it a try.

Can we see the Book of Revelation a.k.a. Apocalypse as an explanation for the evolution of Earth consciousness?

So I'm not sure if I want to read that book again. I read it some years ago and too many times. Yes, I do believe that one can go through a personal Apocalypse. And find enlightenment. Whatever that means.

I find it an utterly confusing text! But I hope we can find each other in our understanding of this Apocalypse some day

:up: :ok:

Yes. Well, you will know when I'm ready to post

Write down My words, and send them to the messenger of the church in Philadelphia. “These are the words of the holy One, the true One, and the One who possesses the key of David, which opens the possibilities so that no one can shut them. The One who closes all options so that no one can open:

8 “I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. I have done this because you have limited strength, yet you have obeyed My word and have not denied My name. 9 Watch, and I will make those of the congregation of Satan—those who call themselves ‘Jews’ but are not because they lie—come before you penitent, falling at your feet. Then they will know how much I have loved you. 10 Because you have obeyed My instructions to endure and be patient, I will protect you from the time of trial which will come upon the whole earth and put everyone in it to the test. 11 I will soon return. Hold tight to what you have so that no one can take away your victor’s wreath.

12 “As for the one who conquers through faithfulness even unto death, I will plant that person as a pillar in the temple of My God, and that person will never have to leave the presence of God. Moreover, I will inscribe this person with the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, New Jerusalem—which descends out of heaven from My God—and My own new name.

God’s intention for the world is this: “I will be your God, and you will be my people.” This is fulfilled by those who are faithful to Him.

13 “Let the person who is able to hear, listen to and follow what the Spirit proclaims to all the churches.”

yeah I agree

Thank you. I'm a bit overwhelmed. That verse from Revelation has played a significant part in my life. Or actually the entire Philadelphian letter. It was a dreamvision I had, that was confirmed 3 times in real life in like a week's time. That was 11 years ago and the last 11 years have been CRAZY. Thank God I'm off medication, off psychiatry, off therapies. I would love to write more about 'psychospiritual development'. Perhaps we can share some of our mystical experiences here then. Love, Kevin

I think this is why the Muslims believe that Mohammed is the last prophet. Because there is something innately disturbing about prophecy. Islamic mysticism is about poetry, not about predicting the future. Jewish mysticism is heavily debated, as everything within the Jewish community has been heavily debated for millennia. Having had psychoses myself, I can certainly tell that there's a very thin line between sanity and insanity. Having almost fully recovered now after 10 years, I can certainly say that the psychoses made my life better. It's about the nuances. There are certainly sanities & insanities in mysticism. But also so much more than that.

You should take it to a shop. Any decent one will open it up free of charge. And then give you a diagnosis and possible costs. Maybe they just have to replace the battery. For a Medion, I don't know how much that is. But if it has emotional value for you, it might be worth it. That's my semi-professional advice.

You could go to a repair shop and ask for free advice. Some parts might not be available anymore or hard to get. Also, can you be little more specific? Not opening its eyes is hard for me to understand.

Thanks for fact-checking. Doing a better job than CNN then.

We take it back home to Earth and see if it attacks us like Covid :rofl:

The opposite of gain is not-gain. — L'éléphant

True. And the opposite of love is non-love. And the opposite of rejection is non-rejection. But sticking to the topic: life is all about taking calculated risks. Jump from the first floor with a good technique and you're unharmed. Jump from the third floor and you're probably disabled. Jump from the tenth and join the afterlife. If God doesn't reject you ;)