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  • European or Global Crisis?
    The decision to support them or not, and under what conditions, is ours. The idea that we should just follow them, wherever that may lead us, is insane considering what is at stake. — ChatteringMonkey

    The Ukrainians haven't been supported unconditionally. (Imagine if someone like Utkin had been at the helm in Kyiv. :gasp:) Actually, there's been so much caution that some of it amounted to tip-toeing — which is playing Putin's game; recall, the Kremlin says what they want others to hear regardless; they're not omnipotent.
    The Ukrainians, the victims, have said "No"; most of the world concurred. :shrug:
    As mentioned, expect responses. (Do you really want to see the Ukrainians being shιt all over (again), plus open expansion of anti-democracy?)
    Putin can be deterred if the Ukrainians want to. Non-appeasement + discouragement also mean wider impact.
    (Meh Why do the re-re-repetitions (have to) keep coming?)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    , I was referring to washrooms alone; sure there are...challenges.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Can almost hear Putin speaking here ...

    Vance: Denmark, which controls Greenland, is not doing its job and it's not being a good ally (— ONEST NETWORK · Mar 24, 2025 · 20s)


    JD Vance warns Denmark 'not a good ally' & hints Trump could invade Greenland (— The Sun · Mar 24, 2025 · 2m:25s)


    The Greenlanders should just repeat "Thanks, but no", and send them home, but they're more diplomatic than so.

    The Thule base has been around since World War 2. Cooperation between Greenland/Denmark and the US. Extending the cooperation should be easy enough. Land grabbing is a whole other matter. Trump/Vance are lying (again).
  • European or Global Crisis?
    Of course they will use what they have against us — ChatteringMonkey

    The sanctions were reactionary. It's not customary to impose sanctions out of the blue. :D Getting into re-re-repetition here.

    The Kremlin invaded annexed assimilated. While being bombed, Ukraine has been in the process of reforms (with results). Putin's Russia has regressed longer (press + media freedom, freedom of assembly, democracy + free fair certified elections, gone; industrialized manipulation + propaganda, implemented). Expect reactions.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    , you know there are public places with only one kind of washroom, yes? Works just fine. All this crap makes the "anti-woke" appear suspicious.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Just some guys babbling

    Ukraine is not even a state — Putin (2006)
    There is no Ukraine — Surkov (2020)
    Canada is not a real country — Musk (Feb 24, 2025)

    :D Thought there was something familiar here

    Musk got unlucky, various onlookers grabbed his post before he deleted it
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    More of the same ...

    Homeland Security makes cuts to offices overseeing civil rights protections
    — Rebecca Santana · AP · Mar 21, 2025
  • European or Global Crisis?
    And Russia isn't going to attack Europe on its own, because they can't.

    Non of this is real.
    — ChatteringMonkey

    They already have...

    doppelganger, matrioska, 2019, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2025, 2025, ... (plus they invaded Ukraine)

    And then...

    Pete Hegseth Orders US Cyber Command to Stand Down on Russia: Reports (— Brendan Cole · Newsweek · Mar 3, 2025)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Are people in the US more interested in entertainment than facts/ethics?

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    Can't help but think about who benefits. Foreign adversaries come to mind.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪tim wood
    ,

    ↪NOS4A2
    apparently has no particular understanding of the situation/environment.

    By the way, it's not the EU in particular here, but Europe.

    They have national independence, are diverse, you find all kinds of haggling and bureaucracy. There's been hesitance, for example that Germany should rise again, and Hungary is...out on the side. Just watch, someone will start yelling that von der Leyen (the EU), or whoever, is going for a power grab. Whatever.

    I guess Macron tried to start cutting through all that with some success. Whatever happens, the situation/environment at hand benefits Putin's Russia, and disadvantages Europe's nations, hence the attempt to...do something.

    Europe's contribution to NATO is higher than the US'. By GDP %, some individual nations are lower, some higher, and it's a legitimate enough complaint that those lower should carry more weight.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez drew a crowd, I guess the opposition is alive:

    34,000 People. Biggest Political Rally in Denver Since 2008. (— Bernie Sanders · Mar 22, 2025 · 2m:3s)


    AOC and Bernie Sanders draw thousands of people at 'Fighting Oligarchy' rally in Denver (— Sudiksha Kochi · USA TODAY · Mar 22, 2025)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Ehm...

    French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found
    — Robert Mackey · Guardian · Mar 19, 2025
    that reflect hatred toward Trump and can be described as terrorism
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Might be called propaganda (or counter-propaganda), yet the footage and circumstances look genuine:

    Russia tried to jail me for making this video in Kursk (— Caolan Robertson · Mar 20, 2025 · 13m:26s)



    ↪neomac
    , shouldn't that be over in the Trump thread?
  • From the fascist playbook
    ↪Pantagruel
    , hence we fight the good fight. :wink: (wanted to type something profound here, but ehh nothing came to mind :smile:)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    , dumbassery indeed.

    Senators Justin Eichorn, Eric Lucero, Steve Drazkowski, Nathan Wesenberg, Glenn Gruenhagen take creepiness to another level (Mar 18, 2025):
    SF 2589 as introduced - 94th Legislature (2025 - 2026)
  • From the fascist playbook
    The conspiracy of greed runs deep in the human soul. — Pantagruel

    I'm thinking it goes further.
    Among some 8 billion people, for just about any idea, you can find someone that somehow believes so, or defends the idea.
    Diversity/plasticity is both a strength and a weakness.
    Education might help.
    Well, then again, someone will then say "education is indoctrination" or whatever.
    And so ethics get relativized, along with whatever else.
    :shrug:
  • Coronavirus
    ↪RogueAI
    , the theories, speculation and available evidence sure have pointed in whatever directions over time. Fifty/fifty seems as good a guess as any. Or 33% with a third possibility.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    A good couple of weeks ago, the Trump team more or less assaulted Zelenskyy at the White House, and now ...

    ‘No one has been played as hard as Trump’: Reaction to Trump and Putin’s phone call (— MSNBC · Mar 18, 2025 · 10m:45s)


    But, OK, the 10-minute clip didn't have Trump to comment. Starting to feel sorry for the guy.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Have they shιt all over Ukraine yet (again)? Reports a couple of months apart:

    Donald Trump Said He'd End Ukraine War in First 24 Hours. He Hasn't
    — Brendan Cole · Newsweek · Jan 23, 2025
    We've never been closer to a Ukraine peace deal, White House says ahead of Trump-Putin talks
    — Johanna Chisholm et al · BBC · Mar 17, 2025

    I guess it turned out differently. Well, he was just "a little bit sarcastic".
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The Alien Enemies Act: What to know about a 1798 law that Trump has invoked for deportations
    — Tim Sullivan, Elliot Spagat, Regina Garcia Cano · AP · Mar 17, 2025

    Consolidating more powers? (With his flock cheering in the background?)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The power’s gone to his head now. Looks like it’s going to crash and burn.
    https://bsky.app/profile/50501movement.bsky.social/post/3lkkkrvu5as2r
    — Punshhh

    Yeah. Kind of what you might expect from a petulant child. His followers apparently don't care.

    No evidence for Trump claim about 'void' Biden pardons and autopen
    — Lucy Gilder, Tamara Kovacevic, Shayan Sardarizadeh · BBC · Mar 17, 2025
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump White House has asked U.S. military to develop options for the Panama Canal, officials say
    — Courtney Kube, Gordon Lubold, Carol E Lee · NBC · Mar 13, 2025
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Given that you say some of the stupidest things on this forum, and can barely keep up in this conversation without making up diversions, I’d be weary of accusing anyone of stupidity. — Mikie

    ?

    ↪neomac
    , some protests in the US also:

    https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2025/03/14/va-veterans-cuts-doge/82418660007/

    None reported in Russia, though. That'd be dangerous or illegal.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    We simply can't be outsourcing all of our metals production overseas because it's just too big of a national security risk. There must be some amount of domestic production. — BitconnectCarlos

    A great opportunity for Trump to build some plants. In the name of National Security. :up: For that matter, there's a crowd of very rich folks right behind him.
  • The Musk Plutocracy
    A couple of months old:

    Musk examines how to oust Starmer as UK prime minister before next election
    — Anna Gross, Joe Miller, Lucy Fisher · Financial Times · Jan 9, 2025

    Yet, kind of telling. Seems like Musk's efforts haven't paid off.

    On another note, in late Feb, Macron and Starmer gently corrected Trump in public on separate occasions. I guess no one really cares any longer.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Shouldn't come as a surprise:

    Russia is conducting ‘state-sponsored terrorism’ against Europe, EU chief diplomat warns
    — Antoaneta Roussi, Laurens Cerulus · POLITICO · Mar 12, 2025

    Furthermore, European diversity makes it easier to attack.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Impact?

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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    , you believe so?

    Trump's trade war timeline 2.0: An up-to-date guide (PIIE)

    An overview of the lot suggests differently.
    There goes the AUSFTA as well...
  • Ukraine Crisis
    https://www.youtube.com/live/nNJOUy_luDM?si=Fl5VVUb-z_XgFcFN — Mikie

    Lavrov is just trotting out the same old bυllshιt that everyone has heard and taken into consideration already, more than once.
    Right, so, Russia is a fine democracy, and he tops it off with the old Ukraine is ruled by the Nazi Kyiv regime.
    Maybe an old dog can't be taught new tricks? :) He should catch up on Shevchenko, ol' influential Ukrainian symbol or folk hero.
    Stalin killed the most Slavs in the 20th century. Putin has killed the most Slavs in the 21st century. :death:

    By the way, my impression is that the invasion of Iraq doesn't have many defenders, maybe I'm wrong.
    Notably after the nuclear weapons threat was shown false?
    One of Bush's supposed rationales was plain bυllshιt.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Markov and Kosachev comments:

    Russia's answer to the proposal for a truce may not be "No", but "Yes, But". That is, to agree to the proposal for a truce for 30 days, on the condition that an arms embargo on arms supplies to Ukraine will be introduced for the same period. Moreover, the embargo must be signed by all 52 countries members of the Ramstein group. And first of all, by the countries of Europe.
    Europe must support the truce in Ukraine not with words, but with deeds - an embargo on arms supplies to the conflict zone is a well-known formula in diplomacy.
    More energy is needed!
    — Sergei Markov · Mar 11, 2025

    The results of the American-Ukrainian talks in Jeddah show only one thing: the "tail wags the dog" plot performed by Zelenskyy with Trump, unlike Biden, definitely does not work.
    The conditions are American, not Ukrainian. The Ukrainians agree to what they are told. And at the same time they bow and fawn - what is the formula alone worth "we will sign an agreement on resources when it is convenient for Washington"! Zelensky is in deep defense. Or, as the State Department representative put it, "Trump put Zelensky in his place."
    Russia is advancing, and therefore it will be different with Russia. Any agreements (with all the understanding of the need for compromise) - on our terms, not American. And this is not boasting, but an understanding that real agreements are still being written there, on the front. Which should be understood in Washington too.
    In the meantime, the most important thing is not to interfere with Russian-American negotiations with third-party comments. Let the negotiators do their job. Victory will be ours.
    — Konstantin Kosachev · Mar 11, 2025
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    If the U.S. has other agenda in mind and if war is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we’re ready to fight till the end. — Lin Jian · Mar 4, 2025

    Hate to admit it, but the Chinese foreign ministry seems to be more or less right about the fentanyl accusations. They did take the opportunity to raise threats.

    Investors spy the dawn of a tectonic shift away from US markets
    — Dhara Ranasinghe, Amanda Cooper, Yoruk Bahceli, Tom Westbrook, Samuel Shen, Elisa Martinuzzi, Richard Chang · Reuters · Mar 6, 2025

    I suppose something like this might happen. Who would Trump blame, then?

    To Republicans, Conservatives, and all great Americans, Elon Musk is “putting it on the line” in order to help our Nation, and he is doing a FANTASTIC JOB! But the Radical Left Lunatics, as they often do, are trying to illegally and collusively boycott Tesla, one of the World’s great automakers, and Elon’s “baby,” in order to attack and do harm to Elon, and everything he stands for. They tried to do it to me at the 2024 Presidential Ballot Box, but how did that work out? In any event, I’m going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American. Why should he be punished for putting his tremendous skills to work in order to help MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN??? — Donald J. Trump · Mar 11, 2025

    How many in his audience will buy that one can boycott illegally? When someone in his position rants like so, there will be people who buy it (sort of seeding/feeding the crap), so maybe a better question is what effects it will have.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    As far as I can tell, Putin switched Russia to a wartime economy some time ago, in part anyway.
    Maybe someone can correct/confirm or offer insights?


    Russia’s War Economy
    — András Rácz, Ole Spillner, Guntram Wolff · DGAP · Feb 14, 2023
    The Russian economy on a war footing: A new reality financed by commodity exports
    — Yuriy Gorodnichenko, Iikka Korhonen, Elina Ribakova · CEPR · May 2, 2024
    Russia’s Wartime Economy isn’t as Weak as it Looks
    — Richard Connolly · RUSI · Jan 22, 2025
    Exclusive: Putin growing concerned by Russia’s economy, as Trump pushes for Ukraine deal
    — Darya Korsunskaya, Guy Faulconbridge, Gleb Stolyarov, Andrea Shalal, Frank Jack Daniel · Reuters · Jan 23, 2025
    Economic impact of the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    — Wikipedia
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Just FYI, someone summarized Trump's Canada talk. Feb 24, 2025 remains a favorite among readers.

    Nov 30,  2018 - The US, Canada and Mexico finalize a trade agreement, USMCA. Trump personally negotiates the terms and signs the document, celebrating it as "the greatest trade agreement in history".
    Nov 29,  2024 - In a face to face meeting, Trump threatens the Canadian PM, Trudeau, that he will be imposing 25% tariffs and that if Canada wants to avoid that, it should join the US as a state.
    Nov 30,  2024 - Trump publicly calls the PM "Governor Trudeau" and instructs his staff to only address him as Governor going forward. He again suggests Canada should join the US.
    Dec  3,  2024 - Trump remarks that he would split Canada into two states once annexed.
    Dec 10,  2024 - Trump posts that the majority of Canadians support annexation, despite public polling that only 13% of Canadians would consider the idea.
    Dec 18,  2024 - Trump again falsely states that the majority of Canadians support annexation and that one of his lapdogs, Gretzky, should have a leadership role in that new scenario.
    Jan  7,  2025 - At a press conference, Trump says that he would use economic force to destroy the Canadian economy to annex it.
    Jan 14,  2025 - Trump again claims that most Canadians want to be American, despite new polls showing only 10% of us are open to the idea.
    Jan 20,  2025 - During his inaugural address, Trump says that the US will "expand its territory" during his second term.
    Jan 23,  2025 - At the World Economic Forum, Trump says that Canada can avoid tariffs and economic collapse if it joins the US. He says this in front of representatives from most countries in the world.
    Jan 24,  2025 - Trump states publicly that Canada "will" become a state.
    Jan 31,  2025 - Trump announces a 25% tariff on all Canadian imports to begin the next day.
    Feb  2,  2025 - Trump refers to Canada as its "Cherished 51st state" and that it should join the US to avoid tariffs.
    Feb  3,  2025 - A one month delay is agreed upon. Trump, in a conversation with Trudeau states that he doesn't think existing border treaties with Canada are valid, and need to be revised.
    Feb  7,  2025 - In a closed door meeting with his cabinet, Trudeau is recorded, without his knowledge, telling everyone that he believes strongly that Trump is serious and that he stated his reason for annexation as Canadian resources.
    Feb  9,  2025 - In a Super Bowl pre-game interview, Trump says that he's serious about his threats, calling it a "viable consideration for expanding US territory".
    Feb 10,  2025 - Trump announces an additional 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from Canada to come into effect Mar 12.
    Feb 24,  2025 - Trump publicly remarks that whoever signed the USMCA agreement is an idiot. He was the one that signed it.
    Feb 27,  2025 - Reports of American spy planes and reconnaissance aircraft flying over southern Alberta and Saskatchewan.
    Mar 4-6, 2025 - Tariffs come into effect. Canada retaliates with it's own tariffs. Tariffs are again postponed until Apr 1 after a huge market backlash.
    Mar  4,  2025 - In an address to a joint session of congress, Trump states that the US will own Greenland "one way or the other".
    Mar  5,  2025 - US Secretary of Commerce Lutnick told Canadian finance minister LeBlanc that Trump "had come to realize that the relationship between the US and Canada was governed by a slew of agreements and treaties that were easy to abandon".
    Mar  7,  2025 - Unconfirmed Memorandum and maps leaked on twitter reveal Trump is allegedly planning to annex the entirety of the great lakes and Southern Ontario, home to 13,491,332 Canadians. This amounts to 35.25% of Canada's total population and includes its largest city, Toronto. This region accounts for 38% of the Canadian economy, and its loss would make Canada's independence functionally impossible.
    Mar  8,  2025 - Canada's foreign minister warns European allies that their government considers Canada to be under existential threat.
    Mar  9,  2025 - Carney, the new Canadian PM, in his acceptance speech, states that Trump is seeking to destroy Canada, and its way of life.
    Mar 11,  2025 - President Trump threatens to "permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada" if Canada does not drop a 250% to 390% tariff on US dairy products, which he doesn't state only kicks in after a certain quantity of tariff-free US dairy enters Canada, a quantity that was originally negotiated and agreed to by Trump during the USMCA in 2018.
    
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Is this Project 2025 Tracker legit? Anyone know the details?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    , well, you know what they say: "Don't like the USA? Leave." ;)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    , did you copy that from a meme? :D
  • Ukraine Crisis
    A new trend?

    Russian Deputy Proposes Renaming Black Sea to ‘Russian Sea’ (— UNITED24 Media · Jan 21, 2025)
    Russia discusses renaming the Black Sea (— ФАКТИ·БГ · Jan 22, 2025)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    The path Putin's Russia has taken is decidedly unfavorable, it's been covered, domestic and foreign regress both.
    Something analogous could be said for Trump's US recently.
    Trust gone or eroding.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I suspect this is a Johnson or Vance thing, or from someone in those circles:

    Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias
    — The White House · Feb 6, 2025

    The title might as well be read as "Promoting Christianity".

    Project 2025 (Wikipedia)
    Who are the Dominionists backing conservative candidates? (Northeastern University · Nov 15, 2022)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Wayfarer
    , the youtube isn't accessible from here ("The uploader has not made this video available in your country").

    FYI, this one is:

    Watchdogs fired by Trump raise alarms over future of independent government oversight (— Scott Pelley, Aliza Chasan, Maria Gavrilovic, Alex Ortiz · CBS · Mar 9, 2025)
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