Addendum to.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944276

WHETHER THE MAGA CIRCUS LIKES IT OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO REJECT THE CLOWN. :mask:

>>> Roevember 1

Does having the capacity for existential self-awareness imply anything further than this fact? — schopenhauer1

Only that it is possible either to be or not to be 'existentially self-aware' ...

That is to say, does a species of animal(s) that has the ability to conceptually "know" that it exists, entail anything further, in any axiological way?

I suppose that such a species would value immortality-projects (i.e. fetishes / technologies) higher than any other – probably as the basis of all other – values.

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Consider these 'more grounded' (re: historical-social context) guesstimates:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/11/why-this-highly-accurate-market-based-election-indicator-seems-to-be-predicting-a-kamala-harris-win/

https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/america-votes/historian-allan-lichtman-standing-by-harris-victory-prediction-despite-polling

https://fortune.com/2024/11/03/presidential-poll-iowa-selzer-donald-trump-warning-kamala-harris-surge-midwest-blue-wall/

addenda to
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/934008

nota bene:

Consider this recent article on how easily "betting markets" are manipulated ...
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/dont-trust-the-political-prediction-markets — 180 Proof

Roevember is here! :victory: :smile:

@Mikie @Wayfarer @Benkei @Shawn @Count Timothy von Icarus

Addendum to
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/937315 (re: zionfascism)

My father always said, 'The Zionists love Israel and hate Jews.' — Esther Farmer, A Land With a People: Palestinians and Jews Confront Zionism

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There would only be a freakout if your prediction of Harris winning the popular vote by nine points or so and a blue tsunami carrying her to a landslide [blowout] victory is correct. That's not going to happen though. — Baden

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https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/934008 :victory:

>>> Roevember 2

The OP concerns "why religion exists", not what is the origin, development and/or consequences of "altered states of consciousness" (e.g. religious experiences). My excerpts are links (via usename) to prior thread discussions in order to prompt / tease with sketches other (e.g. cognitive) ways of thinking about the topic.

Why Religion Exists ... — ContextThinker

I think (your) "Evolutionary Coping Mechanism" overstates the case with an underdeveloped "theory". Consider the following old threads:

(2021) The why and origins of Religion ...

Magical thinking. 'Making shit up' is far easier than struggling to find out what is and is not the case. The brains of h. sapiens are adapted for survival and not truths; therefore [ ... ] — 180 Proof

(2022) Roots of religion ...

We're natural beings. Paths of least resistance constitute the regularities – processes – of nature. Making shit up (versus figuring shit out) is a path of least cognitive resistance [ ... ] — 180 Proof

The cognitive dissonance is going to be so extreme when Trump wins. Even for the government itself. — Shawn

Well I can't wait for the cognitive dissonance freakout here on this thread when Harris-Walz wins (possibly declared as soon as next Wednesday night). :wink:

>>> Roevember 4

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Someone ought to tell Diaper Don that even God won't be able save him the next time from Dick Cheney. :sweat:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html

Today in Trumpenfreude :mask:

Trump is up 65% to 35% in the betting markets (which have a solid track record) and ahead in swing state polling. If he outperforms his polling like he did in the last elections he will win all the swing states and it's even conceivable he could win the popular vote (hell, it's within the margin of error for some polls). — Count Timothy von Icarus

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Consider this recent article on how easily "betting markets" are manipulated ...
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/dont-trust-the-political-prediction-markets

@Baden @Mikie @Benkei

Addendum to
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940625



>>> Roevember 5 :victory:

29Octubre24



¡Se acerca el 5 de Roeviembre! :victory: :flower:

Why don't they kill themselves? They're telling us death is nothing to be afraid of and benefits us hugely....yet they seem reluctant to die. Actions speak louder than words. — Clearbury

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https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/916613

@Sam26 :eyes:

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Although I believe in life after death, I think NDEs are not good evidence for it. They seem better explained as dreams. — Clearbury

When I am unconscious I am not non-existent. I exist, but I am just not conscious. So 'consciousness' and 'a person' are not equivalent. My quibble, then, is that it is persons or minds (I use the terms interchangeably) who survive death, not 'consciousness' (consiousness is something persons have, but it is not what a person 'is').

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The main difference is that they can be corroborated by others who were there. — Sam26

:roll: In other words, there was no "NDE" just a non-ordinary experience of a living person that is misattributed by her and then on rare occasions circumstantially corroborated by other living persons (e.g. like sober witnesses to a black-out drunk's shenanigans). Of course, forensically, eyewitness testimony² like introspection¹ is usually unreliable as evidence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion [1]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5544328/ [2]

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I'd expect that the situation would be more likely than ever to search for simple solutions to the complex problems. — Relativist

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IMO, such flagrantly racist stupidity this close to election day is only going to help Harris-Walz & congressional candidates (particularly in PA & FL).

I've only been in the election prediction game since 2016.

That June, after the way the DNC & Obama had systematically undermined Bernie Sanders in the primaries, I had predicted that the only way HRC could lose such a "rigged campaign" was to suppress – demoralize – her own voters by being the shitty candidate that she was. Well, she did just that – 20% fewer Dems showed up to vote for her than in 2012 for Obama – by not campaigning that Fall in the three Midwestern swing states – won in both 2008 & 2012 by Obama – which decided the election by .07% ... The polls weren't "wrong": the candidate favored to win had arrogantly thrown the fucking election (NB: "Russian interference", "Jim Comey reopening investigation of the email scandal", "misogynistic Bernie Bros" & "fucking Jill Stein") had nothing to do with it).

Notice how Biden in 2020 and Harris this year have focussed like a laser beam on midwestern swing states. Also, The Clown himself and candidates he's endorsed have lost general elections (2020), special elections (2017, 2019, 2021, 2023) & midterm elections (2018, 2022) – MAGA is a ethnonationalist populist cult of 30-40% of the electorate and The Clown has been hemorrhaging pro-business GOP & suburban college educated white women since 2021 which made up 5-7% more (transactional) support in 2016 & 2020 (c47% each election). I'll be very surprised if The Clown gets more than 42% of voters this time.

280ctober24

Harris-Walz needs 41 electors (in addition to the 229 electors from the solidly "Blue" states the campaign begins with) to reach 270 electors and win the presidency. I'll be watching the following states for results on 5Nov24 (by 3am EST 6Nov24):

Georgia [16]
North Carolina [16]
Florida [30]
Ohio [17]
Texas [40]

& on 6Nov24 (by 10pm EST):

Michigan [15]
Wisconsin [10]

I expect Harris-Walz to win the bolded states for 57 electors by Wednesday night and that can mathematically decide the eleclion.

If a majority of people in the states named above vote their interests rather than their fictions, next week will culminate in a Harris-Walz blowout.

If any or all of the other states above flip from "Red" to "Blue", the election could be a landslide.

>>> Roevember 8 :up:

"Eight Days a Week" (2:44)
Beatles For Sale, 1964 (2023 remix)
writers Lennon-McCartney, 1964
The Beatles

>>> Roevember 8 :victory: :cool:

Hopefully I'm wrong. — ssu

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>>> Roevember 9

Addendum to:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940625

Adiós, Padre. :fire:

Contemporary man has begun to lose his naiveté as ... the deep causes of the situation in which he finds himself are becoming clearer. He realizes that to attack these deep causes is the indispensable prerequisite for radical change. And so he has gradually abandoned a simple reformist attitude regarding the existing social order, for, by its very shallowness this reformism perpetuates the existing system.

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It has become ever clearer that underdevelopment is the end result of a process. Therefore, it must be studied from a historical perspective, that is, in relationship to the development and expansion of the great capitalist countries. The underdevelopment of the poor countries, as an overall social fact, appears in its true light: as the historical by-product of the development of other countries. The dynamics of the capitalist economy lead to the establishment of a center and a periphery, simultaneously generating progress and growing wealth for the few and social imbalances, political tensions, and poverty for the many. — Fr. Gustavo Gutiérrez, founder of liberation theology, d. 2024

Abortion and democracy may be what motivates people to get out and vote— but you don’t really know that, nor do I. — Mikie

You've not been paying attention, bro. I know: 2017*, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023* ... :victory: :mask:

*special elections, referenda lost by MAGA-GOP, etc

Guess I’m not so crazy after all :rofl: — Mikie

Not crazy, just cynically mistaken. The 2024 US election is about (1) whether or not this should be the last US election and (2) whether or not women in the US should have the inallienable right of bodily autonomy (i.e. unrestricted access to reproductive healthcare); this election is not principally about mere policy preferences (re: taxes, immigration, foreign policy, military spending, climate change, etc). As a Bernie Bro since the '90s, I ask you, Mikie: Why else would both Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez & Liz Cheney, both Bernie Sanders & Dick Cheney endorse Harris-Walz?

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/941886

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>>> Roevember 12

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re: Diaper Don The Fascist Clown (a convicted felon as well as an adjudicated rapist & fraudster, who 'self-described racists' believe is also a racist, and who everyday wears more make-up than a drag queen) – another character reference from a former senior Republican:

Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America.

Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he’s certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators — he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure. — John Kelly, retired 4-Star General USMC and former Trump WH Chief of Staff

>>> Roevember 13

Consider this link to a discussion on AI (if you haven't already):

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/941212

Thoughts?

What do you (anyone) make of this talk?



@Benkei @noAxioms @wonderer1 @Vera Mont @jorndoe et al

"47" is thirteen months younger than me (which is a(nother) first). Happy 60th today! :party:

:up: Here in Washington State we got our early ballots yesterday. I dropped mine off today.

19October24

I voted today against fascism! :victory: :mask:

>>> Roevember 17

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A model of everything — Carlo Roosen

Since your "model" is merely "conceptual", self-consistently it cannot explain, or encompass, "fundamental reality" or "consciousness", and therefore, does not "model everything".

Also, time (e.g. "conceptual reality is past", etc) is not fundamental (re: QFT & GR).

Lastly, even if we could, why would we build a suboptimal bottleneck (re: "consciousness") into a self-modeling metacognitive adaptive system?

:sweat: Sounds like you drank the Polymarket kool-aid, mate.

What "suspense"? "Muppet B" is crashing and burning today even worse than he did from early voting in 2020. :victory: :mask:

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Addendum to
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940299

part 2:



>>> Roevember 19

@Baden @Mikie @Wayfarer

@BitconnectCarlos

And now if HAMAS kills all of the remainimg hostages in retaliation for taking out the terrorist Sinwar, do you expect the war criminal Netanyahu to agree to an immediate ceasefire in Gaza? :shade: