But few here would remember Landru Guide Us — Banno

... my point is that you are AWARE of counterfactuals and you CHOSE this one (whatever else might be the case surrounding this decision). — schopenhauer1

I simply ask, what IS it that is beyond oneself? — Constance

There are various systems of paraconsistent logic that accomodate or mitigate explosive results, so I won't rule out some form of dialectic, but I won't rule it in, either. (see what I did there...?) — Banno

But it remains that the sort of contradiction seen in dialectic is not the sort of contradiction found in formal logic. What a dialectic contradiction is remains, I think, ambiguous.

And secondly, even if we supose that dialectic does not breach non-contradiction, the result is not clear. Given the Principle of Explosion, anything could follow from a contradiction, so given a thesis and an antithesis, the nature of the resulting synthesis is far from fixed.

So I would rather not glorify dialectic by calling it a "logic". — Banno

Indeed, what we know is mental, but that does not imply that the world is mental...

The argument attempts to show that the world is partially mental, but only succeeded in showing that the what we say about the world is "mental".

That is, the argument presented here does not demonstrate it's conclusion. — Banno

Does it matter what the primary function of religious thinking is? — Igitur

[H]istory amply shows, imo, that 'religion' is required only (or at least mostly) for herding sheep, prophets making profits and sanguinary propitiating/martyring/scapegoating. — 180 Proof

[T]here is truth to be found and that the person is willing to find it. — Igitur

Yeah, in 2024 that "1 way to lose" will be the same as 2016: HRC. The Dems don't learn new tricks often ... though maybe VP Harris :yikes: (if Biden drops out of the race and the Dems don't nominate e.g. Gov Newsom, Gov Whitmer, et al) – HRC redux. — 180 Proof

Whitmer for President with running-mate Newsom for Veep works just as well for me too – maybe even better! — 180 Proof

[@Wayfarer] wants his cake and to eat it. — Banno

Trump never should be the nominee but the GOP has been shit since Reagan. — Benkei

It’s not a question of whether the ‘wave function’ is or isn’t mind-dependent. — Wayfarer

Has anyone else here had a sense that what they were experiencing in early life wasn't truly real or that it was highly stripped down? — TiredThinker

To lay out in its clearest terms: — schopenhauer1

This will ever be my debate with Nietzscheans on this forum. I'm sorry but Schopenhauer cannot be surpassed by Nietzsche's contrarian view.

... almost each and every moment you deliberate and decide. The reasons you chose, whatever they are ...

This OP is about Aristotle's Eudemian and Nichomachean Ethics; not his Metaphysics, Politics, or Physics. — Bob Ross

A map is something used to know territories themselves, no? — Count Timothy von Icarus

The idea of "essence" might be explained quite differently from how Aristotle goes about it ...

We are the only species that bears a responsibility that no other animal must endure, that of justifying why we must do/endure anything. We are self-aware creatures, that know that we can do something counterfactual. — schopenhauer1

It is a form of "ignoring" of the problem. — schopenhauer1

... we are the species that needs the delusions ...

What are your "meta"-cognitive beliefs about pessimism, and what it may mean to a person? — Shawn

It's the age-old problematic: ignorance. — 180 Proof

... the life of the ignorant, who do not understand or perceive the suffering of the world. — Shawn

... morality is more deeply rooted in emotional affectivity than in rational deliberation. — Tom Storm

I'd like to ask, in correspondence with the OP, whether only through experience can one come to learn, or even know, such basic moral facts? — Shawn

The way the world seems to be working is that there's some kind of serious deficiency in this regard of being informed of moral facts or truths.

Have you read the Metaphysics yet?
–Count Timothy von Icarus

I haven’t, but I will. — Bob Ross

I don't see anything wrong with the concept of an essence or final causes (telos): do you? — Bob Ross

Trump isn’t going to win. — NOS4A2

I feel like a asshole. — bert1

I concede. — bert1

We have billions of people that look into the sky and see that the Sun travels around the Earth. The Sun rises in the East, and sets in the West. No one is saying we don't have that unified and confirmed subjective experience. But is our interpretation of that subjective experience true? No. It turns out that the Earth actually orbits the sun. But from our limited perspectives, and can feel like its the other way around. — Philosophim

Consciousness, in its essence, is imminently trans-individual. — Pantagruel