• Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    This summary legal analysis and discussion might be useful to understanding the practical impacts to Executive Branch (Article 2) of the 1July24 SCOTUS decision in the context of US legal and political history.

    https://youtu.be/7cGT9EVvS7U?si=08Vx04UGMrH18UZw
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    I see both materialism and idealism as being a bit limited and 'flat'. Non-dualism may be one option amongst others. — Jack Cummins
    Well, I think materialism (i.e. only 'the material' is real) is a form nondualism.

    Naturalism and realism can be seen as a radical departure from the idealism of Berkley.
    On the contrary, they preceeded Berkeley by millennia in both Western and Eastern philosophical traditions.

    the dual existence of mind and body or their embodied unity
    I.e. Descartes or Spinoza. The scientific description of the latter is embodied cognition (A. Damasio, G. Lakoff, T. Metzinger).

     
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Maybe a philosophy forum isn't for you. — Benkei
    :smirk:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :lol: Go troll yourself, BitCunt.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :eyes: :roll: :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Whaaaaaaat TF :brow: :down:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-sentencing-date-delay-proposal/index.html

    Sentencing 11July24 18September24 :grimace:
  • Suicide
    If the person believes ... — creativesoul
    ... but does not know because she cannot know. Her mere "belief" – desperate guess – is an unwarranted hope, or fantasy (i.e. ideation¹) – thus, the "choice" to kill oneself might be valid and yet unsound; and often is unavoidable, even involuntary.

    suicide is not always irrational — creativesoul
    Perhaps, but my point is that suicide is always either unsound (choice) or involuntary (abject / pathological).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicidal_ideation [1]
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    What does theism mean by "separate from" if it still can affect its creation? — Harry Hindu
    Well, at best, theism is incoherent.

    What type of connection is it between a cause and its subsequent effects - physical, idealistic, something else or none of the above?
    "Idealistic" (i.e. supernatural).

    Would it not be a naturalistic stance to take to say that because God has a causal relationship with its creation that God is natural?
    Yes. However, theism posits a supernatural creator of nature, which is incoherent.

    There simply isn't any valid evidence to support any of these claims .. reasonable/logical?
    I prefer anti-supernatural (though absurdist (Zapffe-Camus) would do).
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    A stray thought ...

    Insofar as theism posits a creator separate from, though affecting, its creation (duality), atheism means rejection of theism (non-duality), no?

    Likewise, if idealism posits both minds and ideas (duality), then materialism posits that only 'matter' is real (non-duality)?

    Perhaps idealism and materialism are also, in effect, generalizations of theism and atheism, respectively. :chin:

    (NB: In my case over forty years ago, materialism (subset of naturalism) was a consequence of atheism rather than the other way round.)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    :cool:

    ↪Benkei
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    A republic, if you can keep it. — Benjamin Franklin
    ↪180 Proof
    :fire: :mask:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof


    Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal. — former president Richard Nixon, interview 1977


    ... for fuck's sake, like Rome, the Pax Americana has finally explicitly devolved from republic to dictatorship. :brow:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    Whether we opt for the magic space wizard or the leader of the glorious revolution, we're probably fucked. — Tom Storm
    :up:
  • Gödel's ontological proof of God
    God's words are infinitely more puissant than mine. He can speak me into existence, allegedly, but I cannot return the favour, and nor can Gödel. — unenlightened
    :fire: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    :lol:
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    You've misread me (so far): I'm saying that "duality" (or "the split" as you call it) is only an epistemological issue that's been mistaken for – incoherently reified into – ontology. As for your doubts of naturalism, Jack, I hope the (last) 2 links in my previous post provide you with some (more) food for thought that is both "theoretical", as you say, and also, more significantly, existential-pragmatic.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    Obviously, NOS, you have not yet thought through how the MAGA Six Justices just gave Dark Brandon a get out jail free card! If the MAGA caucus in Congress tries to impeach POTUS, "The King" can order any or all of those morons rounded-up and shot before the vote to impeach even happens. :mask:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    1July24

    SCOTUS rules, in effect, that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-supreme-court-immunity-1.7251423

    So, as an official act of National Security, POTUS aka "King Joseph I" SHOULD "decree" by Executive Order (A) immediately strip US citizenship and Secret Service protection from, (B) immediately freeze and then seize all domestic and foreign assets from, and (C) immediately incarcerate in The Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp Trump and his MAGA gang of January 6 & Russian Collusion co-conspirators indefinitely.

    But will "King Joseph I" do this?

    No. Even though, as of today, it's (apparently) legal for POTUS to do so. :angry:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    1July24

    SCOTUS rules, in effect, that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-supreme-court-immunity-1.7251423

    So, as an official act of National Security, POTUS aka "King Joseph I" SHOULD "decree" by Executive Order (A) immediately strip US citizenship and Secret Service protection from, (B) immediately freeze and then seize all domestic and foreign assets from, and (C) immediately incarcerate in The Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp Trump and his MAGA gang of January 6 & Russian Collusion co-conspirators indefinitely.

    But will "King Joseph I" do this?

    No. Even though, as of today, it's (apparently) legal for POTUS to do so. :angry:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Benkei
    No.
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    ↪bert1
    :halo: :up:
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    I wonder to what extent such a non-dualistic viewpoint offers a solution to the split between materialism and idealism, as well as between atheism and theism. [ ... ] I am focusing on the idea of non-duality and asking do you see the idea as helpful or not in your philosophical understanding, especially in relation to the concept of God? — Jack Cummins
    "Non-duality", like monism, I don't find as "helpful" (i.e. incisive) as double-aspect theory¹ (e.g. Spinoza's mind-body parallelism of Substance/God) because I assume "the split" is epistemic – different, complementary ways of describing the same entity – but not ontological.

    I also think "materialism and idealism" or "atheism and theism" are logical negations of one another and yet each is consistent with – dependent on – any of the monist, dualist, pluralist or non-dual ontologies. IMO, "a non-dualistic viewpoint" doesn't "solve" these logical negations (i.e. "the split"), only denies-ignores them.

    Do you believe in the existence of 'God?
    No. I'm a pandeist²

    Do you support a philosophy of idealism?
    No. I'm a naturalist³



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-aspect_theory [1]

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/718054 [2]

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/871001 [3]a

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/800071 [3]b
  • Is atheism illogical?
    I say, the logical concept of god is what is logically possible to each and any given individual person, based on that individual's experiences. — Pantagruel
    I've no quarrel with that. Of course folks are entitled to their own idiosyncratic, placebo-fetish (i.e. cosmic lollipop) of choice. My quarrel is, however, with theistic deities of religion: they are demonstrable fictions, and therefore, it's not "illogical" to reject them as facts (i.e. real, intentional agents).

    ... the possible existence of "god" ... at the logical-conceptual level ...
    And this depends on which "concept of god" is at issue, doesn't it? In sum, clarify your "god-concept" (my preferred conception is
    ↪180 Proof
    ).
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    idealism and belief in God. I wonder are the two connected as philosophical ideas? — Jack Cummins
    No. No. And yes I think they are "connected".

    (A proper response to come later.)
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪jorndoe
    :sweat: :cry:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    He's assumed to exist. To be the ultimate cause behind natural events — BitconnectCarlos
    Yes, that's magical thinking (e.g. "The Great OZ" behing the curtain), or the cross-cultural god-of-the-gaps (i.e. appeal to ignorance) fallacy. More than "assumed", such a "God" is worshipped (ritually mass-deluding). Bronze & Iron Age religious traditions consecrated their naturalistic and moral ignorance by magically denying it and naming that supernatural denial "God". :sparkle: :eyes: :pray:
    .
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    my view the idea of God — JuanZu
    Pardon, but I'm concerned with a social "view of the idea of God" preached in religious traditions and actually worshipped (i.e. idolized) by congregants. It's this totalitarian "view of idea of God" that significantly affects cultures and politics and pacifies collective existential angst (e.g. excuses social scapegoating, martyrdom, holy warfare, missionary imperialism, etc) rather than anyone's speculative "view of the idea of God" (such as yours, JuanZu, or my own
    ↪180 Proof
    ).

    What is the need for God? — Ali Hosein
    Fear of the unknown (ergo 'god-of-the-gaps'), or uncertainty (i.e. angst).

    Is God a legacy of the past that remains to this day?
    It is atavistic like ghosts (or shadows), "a legacy" of every human's infancy: magical thinking.

    Or is it a natural concept that will remain with humans forever?
    "God" is a supernatural fantasy (i.e. fetish-idol ... cosmic lollipop) that many, clearly not all, thoughtful and/or well-educated humans outgrow.

    Is man able to solve the "problem of God"?
    I suppose solving the problem of mortality (or scarcity) will consequently dissolve "the problem of God" (i.e. this may be the meaning of humans expelled from "Eden" in order to keep us from eating from the "Tree of Life" so that we "know death" and "fear God" (re: Genesis 3:22)).
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    ↪bert1
    Scientists and scientifically literate persons do not misuse (misinterpret) physical laws that way – and obviously, bert, you're neither a scientist nor scientifically literate if you believe nature's regularities / structures are "inexplicable" (akin to supernatural mysteries ... miracles, woo-of-the-gaps, etc).
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    [physical] laws themselves are taken to be brute and inexplicable, no? — bert1
    No. Physical laws are mathematical (computable) generalizations of precisely observed regularities or structures in nature and they are only descriptive (constraints), not themselves explanatory (theories).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    US elections are for Democrats to lose or win. — Benkei
    :up:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    Why do we believe that God is something that can be proven? — JuanZu
    I suppose this is reasonably assumed whenever "God" is ascribed (according to tradition, scripture, doctrine, testimony) properties, or predicates, which entail changes to the observable universe: those "God"-unique changes either are evident or they are absent, ergo "God" so described either exists or does not exist, no?
  • The essence of religion
    What an incorrigible bunch of idiots. — Tarskian
    :roll: :sweat:
  • The essence of religion
    Since there is no rational reason for the existence of life, existential nihilism is the rational answer. — Tarskian
    Nonsense. If "existential rationalism", then there can be no "rational answers" for an existential nihilist. :roll:

    There are only spiritual reasons ...
    Such as?

    (Btw, when you say "spiritual reasons", do you mean 'reasons given by spirits'? :eyes: )

    There is no salvation ...
    "Salvation" from what? 
  • The essence of religion
    In its essence, like philosophy, religion is metaphysics first. — ENOAH
    Unlike philosophy being 'metaphysics derived by deductive / dialectical reasoning', religion consists in 'metaphysics expressed through symbolic myths' (e.g. "Platonism of the masses" according to Nietzsche)..

    [P]hilosophical attempts to alleviate human suffering ...
    If by "suffering" you mean folly (i.e. ignorance of one's own ignorance, unexamined living, habits of poor reasoning, magical thinking, reality-denials, etc), then I agree with you.

    None of these approaches are apodictic.
    Why does that matter?

    there is no rational reason for the existence — Tarskian
    Why assume "rational reason" is applicable to "existence" especially since "existence" (a) cannot be nonexistence and (b) "rational reason" presupposes "existence"?

    always leads to existential nihilism — Tarskian
    This phrase doesn't make sense. "Existential nihilism" is chosen and not entailed, otherwise it wouldn't be nihilistic. "Rationalism", as you say, assumes that reality – existence – is logical (i.e. inferential, algorithmic, computable) but that logic must be learned (i.e. signals filtered from noise), that the aptitude for reasoning – orderliness / regularities ("laws") of nature – is intrinsic, or "innate", and competence with reasoning – testable modeling ("sciences") of nature – is an acquired set of skills. "Existential nihilism" is the choice to reject "rationalism" as a way of life (i.e. existential project) as well as rationality, or logic, as an epistemic method/criterion of judgment, and therefore, not the inevitable consequence of "rationalism". Spinozism, for instance, does not entail "existential nihilism".
  • Suicide
    ↪creativesoul
    No doubt, yet the act is not rational (i.e. false hope).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Mr Bee
    Both sets of exams can be independently verified by a third party (audit) if Biden's campaign is serious about getting the maximum effect (no matter how marginal). If not, if the "perception" is so irreparable", then he needs to step aside like Lyndon Johnson did in 1968 – of course, VP Harris might also lose (after a brutally divisive convention floor fight) like VP Humphrey lost to Nixon. :brow:

    ↪Wayfarer
    The disgraced puke (former US Rear Admiral) Dr. Ronny Jackson is a MAGA (morons against great america)-stooge congressman from Texas.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Wayfarer
    Yes, of course, the ballot box will be the final arbiter but if Biden stays in the race he has to address the "senile, enfeebled" issue with evidence his surrogates and down-ballot Dem candidates can use while campaigning to better inform voters. Biden's duty is to drop out and failing that I think he has a duty to the US electorate to provide medical reasons as well as performative displays which corroborate why he doesn't step aside. And the contrast with The obsese, neofascist, criminal Clown's response to a medical & cognitive exams challenge will not be lost on the still persuadeable +5% of voters in "the swing states" which will decide the election in the Electoral College.
  • My understanding of morals
    your moral judgment against me — T Clark
    I have not stated or implied any "moral judgment against" you or anyone in the current discussion. I've only taken issue with your concepts and conception of moral philosophy for being uselessly vague and arbitrary.
  • The essence of religion
    [R]eligious doctrines posing as a philosophy of consciousness ... mysticism as anything other than a pacifier of sorts (albeit somewhat essential in its role on mental stability). The path to woo woo is the way. The destination of woo woo is delusion/madness. — I like sushi
    :up: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪hypericin
    ↪Mikie
    ↪Wayfarer
    I think Biden should have a complete physical and cognitive exams which witll then be released in document form (minimally redacted only for national security) and summarized by his physicians in a public press conference asap. He should also publicly dare The obese, neofascist, criminal Clown to do exactly the same, and let the chips fall where they may with the voters. :mask:
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