"Effing the ineffable" is the job of art and poetry, not rigorous philosophical discussion. Poetry may be evocative, but it presents no arguments. That which cannot be tested empirically or justified logically is outside the scope of rational argument. That doesn't mean it has no value ... — Janus

the core of the OP's question. The esoterica of the gaps.... — Tom Storm

I think it ironic how often Socrates' claim of ignorance is ignored. [ ... ] We remain in the cave of opinion. It is not that we do not know anything, but when we do not know what we do not know and believe we do know we are no longer even in the realm of opinion but ignorance. — Fooloso4

We can know nothing whatsoever about whatever might be "beyond being". The idea is nothing more than the dialectical opposite of 'being'. Fools have always sought to fill the 'domains' of necessary human ignorance with their "knowing". How much misery this has caused humanity is incalculable. — Janus

Boundless arrogance?
— tim wood

Israel is the law
— tim wood

:chin: Kind of making my point for me there, buddy. — Tzeentch

Netanyahu has no right to speak of deradicalizing anyone. He's a radical himself. Hamas is his baby. The murder of Yitzhak Rabin is his brain child. The death of Israel will be in large part his doing. — Tzeentch

'Esoteric' is [ ... ] an insight into the whole of existence — Wayfarer

↪180 Proof You're just biased and the guardian is a leftist rag. — Benkei

I don’t know why my mind keeps thinking there’s no real reason to live — rossii

Maybe it stems from my ethics? - which I found out could be considered negative utilitarianism. It also means I don’t want to cause suffering to others, but I can't seem to ease my own suffering.

Metaphorical thinking may ...

Images may ... — Jack Cummins

I'll venture to say that those who so dismiss metaphorical thinking can only be hypocrites, for - as per my initial post - they live and breathe in metaphorical thinking just as much as anyone else does. — javra

"great" men like FDR and MLK — RogueAI

the nature of esoteric forms of philosophy — Jack Cummins

In this way, the ideas of the esoteric may involve more of a demystification rather than clarification of ideas and understanding. — Jack Cummins

How? — schopenhauer1

Philosophical Pessimism is debatable... — schopenhauer1

↪Corvus
What is an example of an objective system?

Each philosopher requires a lot of effort to hear what is being said. Is "objectivity" being able to answer simple questions without all that work? — Paine

Not asking for spoon feeding, — Corvus

So, what does Spinoza's God do for Spinoza or for the rest of us in this planet? — Corvus

Spinoza's substance (i.e. nature or god) is a metaphysical supposition , not an empirical theory.
— 180 Proof

How much credence should we give to this supposition? — Fooloso4

Can a finite limited part know the infinite unlimited whole?

What are we to make of the significance of Spinoza's signet ring: "CAUTE"?

He had good reason to be cautious, but he often seemed more daring then cautious. What was it that he dared not say or said only in a veiled way?

↪180 Proof I agree:
• SCOTUS will deny a former President has absolute immunity
• Trump will be cash constrained at some point this year (not as early as you say)

I disagree:
• that Engeron will dissolve the Trump Org in NY; I expect only a fine, commensurate with his savings on interest due to receiving interest rates more favorable than his finances warranted. This will contribute to Trump's cash constraints.

• that Trump won't be the GOP nominee. This is because 95% of delegates to the GOP nominating convention are committed to vote based on the primaries. They would be freed only if Trump were to drop out of the race - and that won't happen.

• that the J6 conspiracy trial will have concluded before the election, but even if it is - pending appeals will keep him out of prison. If he's elected, he'll pardon himself and put an end to that. — Relativist

My question is still is there anything which represents "substance" in the actual world? — Corvus

It's why the Trump and Israel threads are dumpster fires. — Hanover

I also think that people gravitate towards arguments that support their preferences. These arguments can certainly be debated and explored. I think this is about all we have - a conversation that coalesces around personal experience, preferences and the values and beliefs which result from these. — Tom Storm

Is it psychologically uncomfortable for you to ponder that soon Trump could be president again? — L'éléphant

if one believes the current president might not be president next time, things happen. Simple. He could suddenly keel over, for example — L'éléphant

Naw, he's just a fleshy manifestation of the American Nightmare. — Vera Mont

All true emancipatory politics has to have a universal dimension in it. It doesn't mean you renounce your particularity, but you somehow read your particularity as a sign of what is wrong in our universality itself. — Slavoj Žižek

[T]ell me how misinformed I am. — schopenhauer1

Look, I know he is a philosophical hero of yours, so me maligning might hit a nerve with you. — schopenhauer1

Btw, the J6 Conspiracy criminal trial in Wash. DC will conclude with a guilty verdict on all 4 felony counts by the end of August 2024 or sooner. I'm guessing (soon to be) Felon-1 will not be the GOP candidate by the Fall (or even by July). — 180 Proof

Perhaps I misunderstand something, but Nietzsche seems at odds with himself. He seems to believe in the "overcoming" of oneself, and the embracing of Suffering in some aesthetic appeal to the Ubermensch who thrives on pain in the idea of manifesting one's own values (power) into the world. — schopenhauer1

Any idea what the "substance" meant in Spinoza? Could it be Aristotelian? Or something else? — Corvus

I understand Spinoza to be (mostly) an acosmist (for whom the cosmos exists though it is not real, only "divinity" (re: the logico-mathematical structure of the cosmos) is real ...) — 180 Proof