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  • Metaphysics as an Illegitimate Source of Knowledge
    Let's take one of your previous examples (of a philosophical statement that you say is non-propositional): "Consciousness is fundamental to reality"^^. Are you saying that, in principle, that statement is not truth-apt? — Bob Ross
    "In principle" there is not any fact of the matter that can make the statement true. At most, it's a supposition expressed (confusedly) in a declarative, or categorical, form (as philosophers are wont to do).

    ^^Consciousness is fundamental reality.

    Are you, likewise, saying it is a non-cognitive statement?
    Yes, of course.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Netanyahu helped create Hamas, just like the US helped create Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.

    He used Hamas specifically to sabotage the PLO to avoid having serious talks about two-state solutions and other peace plans.

    [ ... ]

    The US committed de facto genocide in Vietnam, and it wasn't enough to secure them victory.

    This method (sadly) has been tried, and it has failed every time. turning the perpetrators into the very monsters they claimed they were fighting.
    — Tzeentch
    :100: :fire:

    Way too many folks "can't handle the truth!"

    Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. — reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    A succinctly apt diagnosis of "American Carnage"

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/847417
  • Culture is critical
    The Trump anomaly is a symptom, not the disease or the cause. All he, as a deeply disturbed individual, wants is attention - all of it, all the time, by any means - and he's getting it whether he succeeds or fails in his aspirations, whether he steals from a city or a charity, whether he keeps a promise to his allies or throws them under buses, whether he gets legislation passed or vetoes it, whether he supports or opposes the constitution, whether he commits misdemeanors, of felonies or treason, whether he faces prosecution or evades it.
    Whether he wants a war - class, civil or foreign - is immaterial. It's going to happen, because that's the inevitable devolution of events from 1963 to the present.
    Trump could never have been able to get the first nomination, had the GOP not reached that level of jingoism, corruption and craven conformity. He could not have stirred up the yahoos at his rallies, had they not already been mustered and enraged by a long line of his predecessors. He could not have squeaked through that election, had the voting procedures not already been fatally compromised by state level tampering.
    Everything, at least from the Kennedy assassination, through the Civil Rights movement and opposition to the Viet Nam war has been leading up to a Trump or something like him. If he drops dead tomorrow, or is incarcerated (as any other citizen with his record would have been, years ago) or withdraws from politics, it will make no difference to the march of events.
    — Vera Mont
    :100: :fire:

    For decades now, I suppose, north of the US border must feel like living above a freaking noisy meth lab. :mask:
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    So "god" is nothing but a primal euphemism for ego – in other words, a self-serving/flattering delusion (L. Feuerbach)? No wonder it feels "real" to many believers (i.e. symbolizing – idolatrous – primates); facing the inner cave wall, they bark at their own shadows and call that "prayer". Disbelievers, however, seem to concern themselves with the more-than-ego in which their mere egoes are entangled, or inseparable from, called "nature" – the garden that overgrows the graveyard of all idols. For us (i.e. our delusion): study, not worship; courage, not hope.
  • Metaphysics as an Illegitimate Source of Knowledge
    I am not talking about truth-bearing statements but, rather, truth-apt statements, which appear to be different: the former is a proposition which is true, which clearly indicates the need of a truth-maker, and the latter is merely the capacity to be true or false. — Bob Ross
    :roll: You've conjured up a distinction without a difference, Bob

    My point about the confused OP stands:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/842289
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    ↪Banno
    Knowledge is fallibilistic, not platonic.
  • The Book of Imperfect Knowledge
    ↪Count Timothy von Icarus
    I already have "imperfect knowledge" so I'd lose much more than I'd gain from the deal. And my memory is limited enough, I don't need to further handicap myself with a "spell" (i.e. curse). Last but not least, I suspect magic – even if there was such a thing – doesn't ever solves more (intractable, impossible) problems than it creates.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Who would you prefer babysit your toddler? Israel or Hamas? — RogueAI
    Neither. Both rationalize murdering each other's children.

    More to the point, who would you trust as a nuclear power, Israel or Iran?
    Neither. Both states are run by religious extremists.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪GRWelsh
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪wonderer1
    That's almost always how RICO prosecutions happen, about half plead guilty and some flip getting lesser charges in exchange for turning state's evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if several of the "fake electors" plus Meadows or Guiliani flip soon (before the end of the year). I understand that Fani Willis is aggressively pursuing cooperation from all of the co-defendants and, no doubt, Jack Smith's "J6 Conspiracy" prosecution against Criminal Defendant-1 will be greatly enhanced – like nails in the coffin – by the flippers down in Georgia. :party:
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    ↪Bret Bernhoft
    :roll: IMO, nothing could be more hedonistically anti-Gnostic (contrary to the OP
    ↪180 Proof
    ) than "universal animism" of "technopagan" raves/festivals. :party: :sparkle:
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    Agreed, science pursues knowledge. Knowledge is our most logical way of being concurrent with truth, but cannot assert that it is truth itself. — Philosophim
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Well, that didn't take long – 3 out of 18 dominoes have fallen so far. They're doing the MAGA flip, Donny! :clap: :sweat:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67174576

  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    ↪javi2541997
    Does Murakami mean "basement 2" is, more or less, where one is broken (one's breaking points) or one's blindspots (denials-in-order-to-cope) or one's traumas (phobias)?
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Tzeentch
    :up:
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    "Science pursues" testable, provisional knowledge (e.g. abduction). Only sentences are truthbearers.
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    :lol:
  • Culture is critical
    When the structural elements are riddled with dry rot, I don't waste my time plastering the walls. — Vera Mont
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Hey, MAGA Morons ...

    The "Kraken Lady" has just flipped on your cult leader, Criminal Defendant-1, down in Fulton Co., Georgia. :lol: :up:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/19/sidney-powell-guilty-plea-trump-georgia-elections

    That makes 2 out of 18 dominoes to fall so far. :clap:

    update:

  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Such as who? :roll:
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Very improbable, not "immutable". Speculations derived from probabilities may be insightful (e.g. diagnostics, forecasting); however, derived from improbabilities, they are mere fantasies (i.e. wishful thinking). You seem to be stuck on fantasy (à la faith), universeness. :sparkle:
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    Blessed are those who do God's work. — Fooloso4
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/846860 Amen! :halo:
  • Infinite infinities
    ↪Banno
    :up:
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    ↪Bret Bernhoft
    The second quote attempts to explain the first.
  • Infinite infinities
    ↪Banno
    :smirk:
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Rhetoric (imagined pov of AGI). 'Them is us' humans.
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    ↪Fooloso4
    :up: Occasionally, that's my motivation as well.
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    What "mirror" ... :smirk:
  • Culture is critical
    At our best, I think humans ... — universeness
    ... but mostly, friend, they willingly live like
    dogs
    and sheep. :mask:

    ↪Vera Mont
    :100: I'm convinced @Athena is completely incorrigible on this topic, but I appreciate you also making the case to expose the deeper 'civilizational' rot driving Pax Americana's inexorable decline.
  • Currently Reading
    Apparently lacking the courage of a 'deliberate loser', I'd missed by calling ...

    https://psyche.co/ideas/learning-to-be-a-loser-a-philosophers-case-for-doing-nothing?utm_source=Psyche+Magazine&utm_campaign=78d8097442-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_06_23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-a9a3bdf830-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&fbclid=IwAR3cNftEpT4EMUxsrNGL5tokEGxsPY6vgQdmDvVzK-qJWTgnLLW7h9rEQv8

    :death: :flower:
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    ↪Wayfarer
    In philosophy, what distinguishes, or differentiates, a "higher truth" from a truth? I'm quite familiar with P. Hadot but please put it in your own words based on your own understanding, sir. Thanks.
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    @Janus @Fooloso4

    I applaud your dogged patience. :clap:
  • Culture is critical
    You are struggling as best you can, for the sake of all of us, yes?
    — universeness

    Hell, no! All of yous are on your own.

    Are you not still a secular democratic socialist?
    — universeness

    Nope. Cynical, burnt-out iconoclast
    — Vera Mont
    :smirk:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪EricH
    Your late friend was so right (as history shows), and I agree with you too. How can there be any lasting peace for dispossessors-occupiers-oppressors unless they effectively genocide the Palestinians (like Indigenous peoples in the Americas have been)?
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Tzeentch
    :up: :up:
  • Culture is critical
    if we all ... — universeness
    ... relinquished our divergent perspectives and interests. "We all" are always already entangled in at least as many or more win-lose / lose-lose than win-win games. "We few" micro-cooperators, perhaps many times over, is more like it – scarcity-exploiting partisans, sects, gangs, networks, tribes, etc. "We all", my friend, just doesn't effectively scale (re: global governance, the UN, international law enforcement (e.g. climate change, WMD proliferation, wealth laundering / tax-defrauding, etc) ... globalization ... communism ... "utopia", etc). AFAIK, wars & black markets are our most prevalent, recurring forms of macro-cooperation. Even the "Tower of Babel" myth is quite insightful about the inherent fractiousness of the human condition (ergo the unfortunate, historical utility of religio, religare). Don't forget, mate: at our best we're primates, not angels.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Mr. Trump is a criminal defendant. He is facing four felony charges. He is under the supervision of the criminal justice system. He does not have the right to say and do exactly as he pleases. … No other criminal defendant would be allowed to do so and I am not going to permit it in this case. — Tonya Chutkan, US District Judge, Wash. DC, 16Oct23
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/16/judge-imposes-gag-order-on-donald-trump-in-d-c-trial-00121743

    Who's your daddy now, bitch?! :lol:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Wayfarer
    Thank's for posting Harari's observations.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    I guess one of you MAGA morons will have to murder a judge, prosecutor or prosecution witness in order to convince some court to revoke Seditionist-Traitor-Rapist-Loser1's bail and remand him to pre-trail detention like every other indicted thuggish lowlife. :mask:
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