By ontology I understand the constitutive, necessary and sufficient conditions of all human practices; therefore, it makes most sense to "subscribe" to naturalism (à la Laozi, Epicurus, Spinoza, Hume, Nietzsche, Dewey ... )Out of curiosity, what ontology would you subscribe to? — Bob Ross
I think "consciousness" – phenomenal self modeling – supervenes on the brain's neurological systems bodily interacting with its local environment.Do you think that consciousness can be provably determined as reducible to brain states?
Well, for starters, I don't find any compelling reasons to believe that entities such as "ghosts" or "spirits" exist (except in fictions) and so "positing a Universal Spirit" seems to me merely an ad hoc projection of wishful or magical thinking akin to e.g. aether, phlogiston, chi, juju, mojo, astral planes, "The Force", etc. "Universal Spirit" certainly is not parsimonious, probably violates conservation laws and as a conjecture does not explain anything.What problems do you find with positing a Universal Spirit?
Great minds think (confuse themselves) alike. :point:So, if our brains are representations like anything else [ ... ] The question then is what is doing the representing? — Janus
I guess you haven't been paying attention. If you really care to know, just peruse the few posts below of exchanges with @Gnomon where, after hundreds of previous exchanges with him over the last few years, he had finally copped to his own crypto-"Panendeism"-of-the-gaps sophistry. :mask:I still don't know why you [Gnomon] have received such reactions. What forums did you go to? Because, here, it would be out of place to label you as religious and irrational, unless, of course, you're talking about religion and theism. — L'éléphant
Yep. "Salvation seeking" is – a self-abnegating Stockholm Syndrome hostage fantasy – older than the oldest "sacred" scripture. "Spiritual" savants, spooked in their cribs by "spirits" and since having learned helplessly to "hope" for permanent escape from their "wretched" bodies in order to become / return to being "happy spirits" for a price, deny natura naturans – e.g. "angels", "astral projections" & "perpetual motions". I'm sure @Wayfarer et al will (dogmatically) misrecognize my take on "spirituality" ... :halo:For pissing off that same supernatural entity you then rely on saving you - for a price. — Vera Mont
:fire:So, if our brains are representations like anything else [ ... ] The question then is what is doing the representing? — Janus
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/31/debt-ceiling-final-vote-house-congress :cool:Biden to sign the clean debt ceiling raise into law by thefirst[fifth] of June.
No US Default -– come hell or highwater! – is my prediction. — 180 Proof
It depends on how one uses the term. For instance, I use atheism as the claim that 'theistic claims' are not true – without asserting anything about g/G, simply demonstrating that 'what theists say about their g/G' is incoherent and/or false (which, if that's the case, entails that 'theistic deities' are fictions). Anyway, in the main, atheism is not a "theological position" any more than celibacy is a sexual position.There is an irony in atheism insofar as it is a theological position. — NOS4A2
Religion is about control, that seems to be the nutshell here. — Darkneos
Religion doesn’t answer how to live so much as tell/force you to live as such or else. — Darkneos
:100:Even Christ wasn’t exactly a good guy in the book itself. There is a reason a lot of atheists say they became atheists by reading the Bible. — Darkneos
The claim is an authoritative yet wholly unsubstantiated opinion, no?So a piece of Christian Dogma may be "Jesus Christ rose from the dead". What makes this dogma? — Moliere
:up: :up:Another point is that even though causality and propositionality (or causes and reasons) might seem incommensurable to us that can be, as Spinoza says, on account of looking at the one thing from two different incommensurable perspectives and may not reflect on the nature of physical processes, but rather on our naive understanding of them, or our dualistic "either/ or" kind of thinking. — Janus
Well, they don't cash counterfeit idealism at my local bank. :smirk:Promissory materialism, then. — Wayfarer
What do you mean by "reality'?I don't think we have access to reality or can even define it, except in the shallowest terms. — Tom Storm
:clap: :100:That's the weasel argument. We happily accept the idea of a physical quantity – a measure of "stuff" or substantial being, such as charge. And so the linguistic trick is get us thinking of a quality – qualia – in a similarly physicalist and countable way. Little jolts of experience like the feeling of red or smell of a rose flashing through the mind.
The sleight of hand works as our folk metaphysical notions of physical quantity are as suspect as our ones about mental qualities.
Something fundamental like charge is treated as if it were like a measure of some fluid stuff that flows. It is already pictured and talked about in an overly concrete fashion. Then Chalmers takes that folk physics and applies it to the mind as if consciousness is also a quantity of this atomistic stuff called qualia, or isolated flashes of experience. — apokrisis
:sweat: :up:There is something it is like to be a football. — NOS4A2
Actually, he says "zoon politikon" (political animal), yet given his monumental Organon, Aristotle tends to get tagged with that "rational animal" (which I think actually comes from Plato). Anyway, our uniquely distinguishing feature as a species, I think, is that, despite mostly being delusional, we are collaborative knowledge-producers. :fire:Aristotle's definition of "man" as rational animal. — Metaphysician Undercover
:zip:... spelled "Meta-Physics", and defined as the science of the non-physical.
Does any of that make sense to you? — Gnomon
... why would you accept Fooloso4's assessment that for Aristotle there are no independent forms? — Metaphysician Undercover
I cannot find this post (wherein I "agree"), reply with a link please.Fooloso4's statement — Metaphysician Undercover
Given that our species nature is real (i.e. the fact that there are things which are bad, harmful, suffering-inducing to do to our kind), acting towards one another in harmony with our species nature is 'moral realism', no?act in harmony with your nature — wonderer1
Simply because there's a third option of moral pragmatism, a fourth is eudaimonism, a fifth is dis/utilitarianism, a sixth is deontologism, etc. Anyway, I'll stick with my rabbi Hillel's pre-scientific yet naturalistic, ethical principle:My question wasn't rhetorical, as if to argue either an absolute ethic or nihilism. I was asking why it's not a dichotomy. — Hanover
What you find hateful [harmful], do not do to anyone.
Grounding ethics in the real world problems – facticity – of the flourishing (contra languishing) of natural beings. To wit: 'Why be morally good?' is nearly synonymous with 'Why be physically & mentally healthy?' or 'Why be ecologically sustainable?' or 'Why be socially & politically just?" Answer: In order, as natural beings, to cultivate the flourishing (contra languishing) of as many natural beings as possible.What then makes ethical realism intelligible? — Hanover
False dichotomy.Without ethical realism, how do you avoid nihilism?
False trilemma ...You've got a few choices here with your secular humanism: (1) accept a subjective morality but chase the elusive idea that your there are universal subjective truths (which there aren't), (2) use secular terms to appease yourself that you're not actually a theist, or (3) accept the nihilism inherent in the position — Hanover
I appreciare your honesty.This system of belief is not beholden to rational thought ... — Noble Dust
:fire: :100:[ ... ] Wheeler conceived of information, not as non-physical, but as "a fundamental physical entity"!
@Gnomon :point: You also might want to read this to educate yourself as to the diversity of views on the matter of information.
This is nice apt summation:
According to Aristotle biological beings are a single physical entity. There are no separate forms and hyle floating around waiting to be combined. There is not one without the other, substantiated in living physical entities, that is, substances.
— Fooloso4 — Janus