Probably because h. sapiens are about a chromosome and a half away from p. troglodytes (chimpanzees).I would ask simple questions:
1. Why does one human wish to be more powerful and have more wealth than any other? — universeness
The history of h. sapiens' dominance hierarchies (i.e. civilizations, sovereigns / states, cults-communes) certainly suggests such a sociobiological "connection".Are such drives/motivations, 100% connected to our 'survival of the fittest, jungle rules, beginnings?'
In practice – dynastic-oligarchical dominance hierarchy.If so, then what does the notion of 'civilisation,' really mean to humans?
No. Not under conditions (status quo) of political-economic scarcity.2. Do you think 8 billion humans, fully co-operating, could achieve more than 8 billion humans competing under the control of an elite global few?
We haven't yet in over half a century. It's certainly not in the interest of shareholders who profit from – dominate by – exploiting natural and/or man-made / strategic scarcities.3. Can the human species find common cause, when we consider the scale of the universe and the resources available within it?
Eventually 'survival of the elitest' (millions, not billions) in scattered networks (sprawls) of AI-automated enclaves. Think: Ayn Randian dystopias à la Judge Dredd or Blade Runner (without Replicants).4. Consider unfettered capitalism in permanent action, forever unchallenged, what would you predict,
would be the main result of such a permanent global system, for our species?
:smirk:I've never read any of Schopenhauer's works, but [ ... ] — Gnomon
News flash @NOS4A2 – Anti-"Deep State" Federalist Society legal scholars argue that Seditionist-Traitor-Rapist1 is CONSTITUTIONALLY DISQUALIFIED from ever being POTUS again:Btw, DJT will be stricken from some key state ballots due to provisions in US 14th Amendment, Sec. 3 because of the findings of J6 Committee and subsequent state & federal indictments, so the fat old orange fascist fuck won't be able to run again in '24 (though he'll still be a player / spoiler of some sort.) — 180 Proof
:up:And on and on and hosanna. That is to say apparently gaslighting seems to be the answer. — schopenhauer1
The only deity consistent with a world (it purportedly created and sustains) ravaged by natural afflictions (e.g. living creatures inexorably devour living creatures; congenital birth defects; etc), man-made catastrophes and self-inflicted interpersonal miseries is either a Sadist or a fiction – neither of which are worthy of worship. — 180 Proof
Evolution explains the development of life and not its origin like (so called) "creationism", so it's no more a substitute for an inexplicable (alleged)"creator" than astronomy is "posited in place of" astrology or modern medicine is "posited in place of" faith-healing. Evidence-based stories and evidence-free (faith-based) stories have incommensurable discursive functions and are not interchangeable, or substituteable one for the other.In this conversation, I want to examine whether or not positing evolution in place of a creator amounts, in the end, to the same thing as ... — ucarr
"A creator" is either "posited in place of" We Don't Know Yet – as a creator-of-the-gaps placeholder – or bullshitted denialism of modern evolutionary biology.... positing a creator in place of evolution.
... or minimally egoic (e.g. Laozi's wu wei, Epicurus' aponia, Pyrrho's epochē, Spinoza's scientia intuitiva, Nietzsche's amor fati, Zapffe-Camus' absurd, Rosset's cruelty ...)So there's an existential decision to live in a beautifully impersonal way, which I understand as maximally social. — plaque flag
How about you – second person plural – such as Buber's Ich-Du (or even Dao)?I want to be us and not just me.
à la Meillassoux / Brassier! :fire:I want to strive heroically against my own petty finitude, toward the relative infinity of Feuerbach's species-essence.
This immanentist agrees. :up:Reality apart from human personality is a useful fiction. — plaque flag
Whatever reality is, reality necessarily excludes – negates – unreality (i.e. ontological impossibles (e.g. un-condittionals, un-changeables, reified ideas ('ideals'), etc)).What isthisreality ? — plaque flag
:up: :up:Zapffe himself pointed out that his produced works were the product of sublimation.
— Wiki
Becker and others make the same point. Life has a horrible aspect, and we meet it with narratives and symbols that mitigate that horror. The first heroic task as a child is ceasing to shit one's pants. A 'spiritual' being is a cultural or sublimated being — plaque flag
Flesh (facticity).What does the game of philosophy always presuppose ? — plaque flag
I suppose to the degree one believes the path is not the destination.The living breathing ontologist has a certain kind of personality. To what degree is philosophy a personal quest for honesty that leads toward a self-consciously critical and fallible conversation ? — plaque flag
IIRC, Husserl begins as a mathematician ... I imagine Spinoza, like Epicurus, would "take" thinking – reflective inquiry/practice – impersonally.Does the true scientist (I include, controversially, a person like Husserl) take science personally ? How else could it be taken?
Maps are not "far from" models yet neither are equivalent to the territory as (sub)personal – existential – biases would have us believe (re: folk psychology). Btw, I'm with Beckett (even Cioran): I don't think we ever "understand" one another any more than we chew swallow digest & shit one another's shits. :smirk:I don't think it's an accident that we understand one another and ourselves as total characters, nor do I think literature is far from ontology.
:point: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/827494I'm saying for my own self, not quoting scripture, that the ego is and must be flesh. No doubt a mystic can claim otherwise — plaque flag
Exemplary daily exorcisms of foolery (re: meta-ignorance (i.e. agnotologies (e.g. pseudo-discourses, sophistries)); expectations misaligned with reality (i.e. self-immiseration, alienation, dukkha); maladaptive habits of mind (e.g. mis/ab-uses of communication, judgment, knowledge), etc) aka "spiritual exercises".What can the philosopher offer ? — plaque flag
Apologies for continuing to flog this equine's carcass:We probably have passed the point of no return in some ways ... — universeness
What matters is the fact that there is existence. Existence is not a property of things. Things are properties of existence. Existence is not a property of God. Existence is God. Existence is that which is. All contingent/created things are properties of existence and are made out of existence. — "EnPassant
I follow Spinoza in thinking that the ideas of extensa and cogitans merely represent two perspectives on things. — Janus
If X is Transcendent AND if X is a Fact, then X belongs to TF-set. The set's okay, there just are not any members (so far) which (can) satisfy both rules simultaneously. — 180 Proof, c2008
No. We haven't yet outgrown religion, politics or science, all of which require critical analyses and reflective interpretations.Has our civilization evolved to the point where philosophy can be dispensed with? — Pantagruel
I suppose it depends on where, what and why one studies.[H]as philosophy moved from being an "outlier" to a superfluous branch of study?
Yes.Does philosophy still contribute?
Yes.When you are reading it, do you feel you are contributing?
:100: :fire:While much is made of Nietzsche’s Dionysian desires, it is the Apollonian maxim: know thyself, that is central to Nietzsche. But to know yourself you must become who you are. This is not a matter of discovery but of creation. Nietzsche takes the exhortation to become who you are from the Greek poet Pindar. For both Plato and Nietzsche philosophy is a form of poiesis. Their knowing is creating.
Whatever light the philosopher brings to the cave it remains a cave. The transformation brought about by philosophy is self-transformation. — Fooloso4
I don't understand this reply.Actually, there is far more of a vested – self-flattering – interest in im-materialism (i.e. spiritualism, idealism) than "materialism", as you say, which is much too impersonal and mechanical for any sort of emotional investment, or personal bias.
— 180 Proof
Might be true if the concept of matter was coherent, which it isn't, ... — Quixodian
How do you KNOW this?... or science could explain how matter gives rise to consciousness, which it can't[
You have not provided any publicly accessible evidence or sound arguments for an "afterlife" which hold up under even the most rudimentary scrutiny. What you think you "know", sir, is unwarranted, and therefore, dogmatic at best or delusional at worse. Your threads on this topic conspicuously corroborate my criticisms – and I have never based my rejection of your claims on "materialism" but on the demonstable insufficiency of your claims themselves.I think the evidence is overwhelming, so for me I know there is an afterlife. It's an epistemological answer. I'm not guessing, surmising, giving an opinion, speculating, or expressing an intuition. — Sam26
Actually, there is far more of a vested – self-flattering – interest in im-materialism (i.e. spiritualism, idealism) than "materialism", as you say, which is much too impersonal and mechanical for any sort of emotional investment, or personal bias.There's a vested interest in materialism ... — Quixodian
This leap is unwarranted. Assuming that "life" is an "essential feature" of the universe, on what grounds – factual basis – do you claim Intelligent life (ergo "intention and teleology") is inevitable?My third premise says that if a universe has as one of its essential features the inevitability of life, then it has as concomitant essential features intentions and teleology. — ucarr
This anthropomorphic projection renders the premise incoherent at best.My first premise says intentions and teleology are essential to all forms of life.
e.g. "Philosophy" ...My experience of discussing philosophy over the years has been an experience largely consisting of debates centred on umbrella terms. — Judaka
