Sufficiently corroborable evidence.What is "providing nonsubjective truth-makers"? — ssu
Even more so, I think of metaphysics (ontology) as a synoptic, rational study (contemplation) of fundamental (a priori) questions (aporia) ... from which axiology (ethics, aesthetics) and epistemology (phronesis-praxis) can be derived within constraints (a posteriori) via philosophical discourses (e.g. poetics, dialectics, critiques, hermeneutics, experiments, etc).Probably best to think of [metaphysics] as fundamental elements. — I like sushi
No. Again: I claim that it is demonstrable that theism is not true (see links in my previous posts).Are you saying the issue is undemonstrable or undecidable? — ssu
Thus: "Credo quia absurdum" ~Tertullian. :roll: :pray:If God does exist, then that is not God.
— Bishop Whalon
This is such a nonsense claim — Michael
:100:Physicalism is the [paradigm] that is most consistent with everything we do know through science about the mind-body relationship. More significantly: physicalism is consistent with everything else we know about the world - outside of minds. — Relativist
(1×1=2) "cannot be demonstrated to be true" because, in fact, it is demonstrably false.And when you cannot demonstrate that theism is true, you cannot demonstrate it's false. — ssu
The aim of philosophy [metaphysics], abstractly formulated, is to understand how things in the broadest possible sense of the term hang together in the broadest possible sense of the term. Under 'things in the broadest possible sense' I include such radically different items as not only 'cabbages and kings', but numbers and duties, possibilities and finger snaps, aesthetic experience and death.To achieve success in philosophy [metaphysics] would be, to use a contemporary turn of phrase, to 'know one's way around' with respect to all these things, ... — Wilfrid Sellars
Agreed. Whatever is real can be known, even if only in principle, and therefore does not require "faith" (i.e. appealing to ignorance). Thus, I think it can be demonstrated that theism is not true¹ even though other conceptions of divinity (such as e.g. acosmism & pandeism) are completely undecidable (agnostic).When there's a proof [truth-makers], you don't need to have faith [make believe]. — ssu
:up: :up:I argued that metaphysical materialism can be justifiably accepted as true. [@Wayfarer] responds by pointing to the explanatory gap, and he has raised some extreme counter possibilities (e.g. perhaps a thought is ontologically primitive). [Wayfarer] doesn't merely say, "here's why I don't accept materialism" (which would be perfectly fine by me); he insists materialism is demonstrably false. And yet, he has not demonstrated it. I conclude that [Wayfarer] can't, but won't admit it. — Relativist
:100:There needs to be a reason to pluck one from the infinite set of possibilities and see where it leads.
:fire:If scientific method is unreliable, how much more so are those practices, such as religion, which are not based on impartiality at all? — Janus
:roll: Instantiated, I wrote, not "immanent". Anyway, Wayf, your quarrel regarding the ontology of abstractions (e.g. concepts) begins with Kant(ians) ...Saying they are “immanent” — Wayfarer
Only to the extent "concepts" are instantiable in the material (contra Plato et al) are they "real" and useful for living (i.e. phronesis), otherwise non-instantiable concepts (aka "pure reason") are, at best, idle fictions.Concepts are real, but not material. — Wayfarer
Good.... not denying an external reality. — Wayfarer
So explain what objective difference this subjective distinction makes.It denies that we can meaningfully speak of a “mind-independent world” in the strong sense— i.e., a world that would exist in the way we understand it to exist even in the absence of any standpoint, any cognitive frame, any lived perspective.
What does "limits of objectivity" mean? Of course "science cannot" investigate non-phenomena (e.g. metaphysical fiats).Philosophy can inquire into what lies beyond the limits of objectivity in a way science cannot.
I.e. ecological-embodied metacognition ...... the world-as-lived, the meaningful, structured world of experience, is constituted through the operations of cognition [ ... ] the world we inhabit is inseparable from [enables-constrains] theactivity of consciousness[discursive practices] that renders itintelligible[explicable / computational]. — Wayfarer
:roll:I can accept [without a shred of evidence] the notion of hands-off creator-programmer-observer [that doesn't explain anything] ... — Gnomon
:up: :up:Descartes desired certitude and usefulness vis-a-vis the material world. Sextus [Pyrrho] wanted ataraxia. — Leontiskos
– and neither can idealism, subjectivism, spiritualism nor any other woo.Neuroscience tells us how the brain behaves when we think; it cannot tell us what thinking is — — Wayfarer
... this speculation is indistinguishable from ancient (Vedic, Greek) atomists' void¹ or quantum vacuum of contemporary fundamental physics (wherein "classical swirling-swerving atoms" are far more precisely described as virtual particles (i.e. planck events)) :wink:... "Ultimate reality (Brahman) is infinite, eternal, and beyond time, space, or change, has no shape or qualities, and is the source of everything" ... — Gnomon
Sure, mate, eezy peezy – (In addition to what @Janus says) their primary assumption, in effect, conflates, or equates, abstract (map-making) and concrete (territory) which is a reification fallacy (e.g. "Platonic Forms") and renders their arguments invalid. :clap:Can you rebut the arguments that I provided from Gerson, Feser, Russell? — Wayfarer
:mask: wtf ...There has been eight years of 'MAGA' America, and we see, loud and clear, where the hate, violence and vitriol is coming from. Not. MAGA. — AmadeusD
:up: :up:MAGA, it seems, consists of its bewildered and besotted followers. If that's Conservatism, it's mutated considerably. — Ciceronianus
Nope, afaik the quantum vacuum is the ground state of nature.So it’s Multiverses all the way down then? — Punshhh
Physicalist (philosophical naturalist).↪180 Proof So which one are you? — Punshhh
:up: :up:There is a point though, only an idealist [immaterislist], of some kind, would restrict what is to what can be said, or known by a person. Surely by contrast, a physicalist [materialist] of some kind would allow any of an infinite number of other possibilities and the fact that we cannot observe them directly doesn’t preclude their existence. — Punshhh
Aka Antifa – opposition to pro-"fascist / authoritarian" white grievance paranoia. Yes, we're guilty as charged. :mask:Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"?
— 180 Proof
The left. The not-‘MAGA’. — Fire Ologist
I didn't claim or imply MAGA is "the only" symptom of not thinking, though at the moment MAGA is the most conspicuous symptom (re: "alternative facts" anti-intellectualism, anti-science ...)[Is] maga the only evidence of the disease of not thinking post enlightenment? — Fire Ologist
What about mindless facial recognition software that misrecognizes faces? Illusion =/= misrecognition, no?And an illusion is something that only a mind can entertain. — Wayfarer
Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"? AFAIK that pejorative expression invokes another vacuous, right-wing media boogeyman in order to "own the Libs". :mask:Or, more to my point, is lefty wokeness a symptom of not thinking too, ...? — Fire Ologist
:up: :up:[C]onsciousness ... appears inexplicable.
That’s not a cognitive failing, it’s a conceptual one. — Wayfarer
:fire:[R]eality is what there is. To posit something "beyond reality" is to posit more [than] what there is. "Beyond reality" is not a region; it is a grammatical error. — Banno
Everything. Nothing. And why the chronic habit (nearly contagious/mimetic learned idiocy) of not-thinking persists even in this post-Enlightenment "Information Age" (e.g. in the US, "Trump/MAGA" are only an effing symptoms). :mask:What shouldwe[I/you] think about?
Yes, and we've been speculating in the context of physics (re: the universe). Btw, "philosophical nothing" is more precisely referred to as nothing-ness (i.e. total absence of possible worlds) as distinct from no-thing (e.g. quantum vacuum).Nothing within physics is distinct from philosophical [metaphysical] nothing. — ucarr
Perhaps 'quantum uncertainty' ... such that "nothing" necessarily fluctuates and (at some threshold) a density of fluctuations – (contingent) not-nothing aka "something" – happens. :nerd:If you think the universe was preceded by nothing, then you must explain how nothing transitioned into something. — ucarr
:up:Any one-sentence OP is basically click bait. — Wayfarer
