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  • What are you listening to right now?
    My condolences to TPF members who are British Commonwealth subjects of King Charles III (hopefully he will abdicate soon and crown young William (or better yet, since Harry won't be King, dissolve the monarchy all together)) on the passing of

    Elizabeth of York
    of the House of Windsor
    1926-2022

    "The Queen says No to potsmoking FBI members"


    "Takes him out to look at the Queen
    Only place that he's ever been
    Always shouts out something obscene
    Such a dirty old man
    Dirty old man"



    "Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
    But she doesn't have a lot to say
    Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
    But she changes from day to day
    I wanna tell her that I love her a lot
    But I gotta get a belly full of wine
    Her Majesty is a pretty nice girl
    Someday I'm gonna make her mine, oh yeah
    Someday I'm gonna make her mine"

  • Errorology
    ↪Agent Smith
    :cool:
    I prefer Levi-Strauss' neologism entropology (entropy + anthropology) by which I think he proposed 'a study of disorder produced by human (social) activity'. Or @Fooloso4's coinage foolosophy for 'fool-wise' (not 'wisdom of fools'). 'Error' is constitutive of disorder & foolery, no?
  • Divine Hiddenness and Nonresistant Nonbelievers
    ↪aminima
    Nevermind. Your argument in the OP is not sound.
  • Divine Hiddenness and Nonresistant Nonbelievers
    ↪Agent Smith
    You're mistaken, Smith. P1 in the OP is not true; the conclusion does not follow.
  • We are the only animal with reasons
    ↪schopenhauer1
    Okay. So you don't know that "we are the only animals with reasons" (and don"t know that our "reasons" are not ex post facro rationalizations). :sweat:
  • Divine Hiddenness and Nonresistant Nonbelievers
    P1: if God exists, nonresistant[passive] nonbelievers would not exist
    P1: Nonresistant[passive] nonbelievers do exist
    C: God does not exist
    — aminima
    "P1" is not true, ergo "C" does not follow. :point:

    e.g.

    p1. If the round Earth exists, then "nonresistant" flat earthers would not exist.
    p2. "Nonresistant" flat earthers do exist.
    c. The round Earth does not exist.

    :roll:
  • Jesus as a great moral teacher?
    ↪Art48
    A more illustrative example of Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef's failure as a moral teacher is this:
    But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right, turn to him the other also. — Matthew 5:39
    In other words (intentional or not), do not fight – surrender to – "evil". :mask:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist
    The judge's ruling to so "bad", IMO, it is deliberate (i.e. corrupt), and despite being a spectacular display of "incompetence", puts this 41 year old on a very short list of candidates for SCOTUS by the next GOP POTUS.
  • We are the only animal with reasons
    ↪schopenhauer1
    How do you know that "we are the only animals with reasons"? (Clearly, you don't know "what it's like to be a bat".) How do you know that our so-called "reasons" are not just ex post facto rationalizations (i.e confabulations à la Libet's delay / Kahneman's biases)?
  • Divine Hiddenness and Nonresistant Nonbelievers
    nonresistant nonbelievers — aminima
    Explain.
  • The Fine-Tuning Argument as (Bad) an Argument for God
    ... uncertainty (yin/true/1 OR yang/false/0) is a feature (of reality) and NOT a bug (in our epistemic methodology). Ignorance (noise) is part and parcel of knowledge (signal). — Agent Smith
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    IMO, all this judge has done is expose herself as a Trumpanista tool. The DoJ, I have no doubt, will find one or more viable work-arounds to this court-ordered delay and won't bother taking the bait with an appeal (contra Barcr).TBD.
  • Most Important Problem Facing Humanity, Revisited
    :mask: Re: a dramatic representation of Euro-American, or Northern Hemispheric (predominant driver of "the Anthropocene" via rampant, metastasing industrialization since 1800 CE) blame-shifting to the Global South ...

    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof
    ↪180 Proof
    ↪180 Proof
    .

    [H]umanity is simply sawing-off the high branch it's sitting on – not endangering nature so much as endangering ourselves by accelerating the destruction of most of the natural conditions needed to sustain our species.

    If the Anthropocene isn't an auto-extinction event, it is a human population-crashing event, or gigacidal process, that by the mid-22nd century might thin the post-Anthropocene herd down to mere tens to hundreds of millions of infected/infested scavengers in the overheated, desertified, toxic, sprawling ruins of our late great technocapitalist global civilization largely "gone dark". H sapiens have survived and recovered from a number of population crashes in the last hundreds of millennia, but none as rapid and at the scale and amid such a polluted, irradiated, resource depleted environment as the one that's coming
    — 180 Proof

    :point: re: the Malthusian-Climate Change problem
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220905-is-the-world-overpopulated
  • Mythopoeic Thought: The root of Greek philosophy.
    Another facile analogy ...

    :sparkle: mythos : logos :: magic : logic :fire:

    ... the latter constitutes the attempt (à la philosophy) to formalize / conceptualize / naturalize the former.
  • A Sliver of Reality
    ↪Agent Smith
    Just an aside:
    If the Singularity can happen, maybe it's already happened ... — 180 Proof
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Labor Day 2022.

    Individual-1 aka "Agent Orange" aka "Putin's Bitch" had petitioned a Federal Judge, whom Individual-1 had appointed during the last months of his failed, disgraced, and perhaps treasonous, presidency to do him "a service" of significantly delaying the ongoing criminal investigations of his potentional Obstuction of Justice, Espionage, etc (and real-time damage assessments of espionage against US national security) which she servilely and expeditiously granted without legal grounds or precedent. :shade:

    https://www.axios.com/2022/09/05/trump-special-master-fbi-ruling

    "Someday, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me."
    ~Don Vito Corleone, The Godfather (1972)

    :mask:
  • Philosophy is Subjective
    ↪ArielAssante
    Philosophy consists mostly of normative principles (i.e. prescriptions), suppositions (i.e. thought-experiments), evaluations (i.e. interpretations of statements), aporia and other non-propositional expressions ... which are no more "subjective" than e.g. mathematical theorems or Shakespearean tragedies which are also "only in the mind".

    Skepticism is not self-refuting - absolute or global skepticism is self-refuting and probably psychologically impossible. More conventional skepticism is how science generally works. — Tom Storm
    :up:

    ↪Banno
    :smirk:
  • Mythopoeic Thought: The root of Greek philosophy.
    The story I prefer to tell myself is one of metacultural development from mythos (infancy) to logos (adolescence) to ethos (adulthood) to philosophos (maturity) ... — 180 Proof
    Logos striving against (yet never without) Mythos. — 180 Proof

    ↪javi2541997
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    ↪Agent Smith

    You stopped making sense at " :up: " ...
  • Global warming discussion - All opinions welcome
    :fire: Welcome to the Anthropocene. :mask:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/722883
  • Jesus Christ: A Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? The Logic of Lewis's Trilemma
    ↪Banno
    :smirk:
  • The Fine-Tuning Argument as (Bad) an Argument for God
    I'm still not clear about the rationale for monism. If eventually one has to resort to some form of dualism/pluralism ... — Agent Smith
    ↪Agent Smith
    Dialectical monism.
    — 180 Proof
    — 180 Proof
    I.e. dual-aspect monism (or property dualism).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-aspect_theory
  • Question: Faith vs Intelligence
    ↪Art48
    :up:
  • Jesus Christ: A Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? The Logic of Lewis's Trilemma
    ↪Nils Loc
    :smirk:
  • Jesus Christ: A Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? The Logic of Lewis's Trilemma
    ↪Agent Smith
    I don't "mean to imply" anything. Of the choices given, I choose the one which seems most likely the case. However, as I've pointed out already, I think it's even more likely that Jesus was either misquoted or a fictional character.
  • Question: Faith vs Intelligence
    Faith is a matter of choice. Intelligence is not. — Fooloso4
    :chin:
  • The Standard(s) for the Foundation Of Knowledge
    ↪Hello Human


    e.g. Neurath's Boat
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurath%27s_boat

    e.g. foundherentism
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundherentism

    e.g. falsifiability
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    ↪_db
    :fire:
  • Could we be living in a simulation?
    EDIT: ditched quantum woo comment — jorndoe
    :smirk:
  • Bannings
    ↪unenlightened
    :smirk:
  • Jesus Christ: A Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? The Logic of Lewis's Trilemma
    ↪Agent Smith

    Lewis's trilemma: Liar, Lunatic or Lord.
    — Agent Smith
    Liar.
    — 180 Proof
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    As those "woke" Romans used to say: cui bono? In the US, for instance, do whites or non-whites benefit more from the historical legacies – persistance – of racism and therefore have more of a vested interest in institutionally perpetuating racism than the other? Stop lying to yourself. :mask:
  • Jesus Christ: A Lunatic, Liar, or Lord? The Logic of Lewis's Trilemma
    Jesus was either Liar, Lunatic or Lord!
    — Agent Smith

    False trichotomy. Jesus was also either misquoted or a fictional character
    — 180 Proof
  • Question: Faith vs Intelligence
    ↪Agent Smith
    Reread me.
  • Question: Faith vs Intelligence
    You fail to Laugh at "your faith" or "your intelligence" because you lack Courage.

    memento mori

    "What you find hateful [harmful], do not do to anyone "

    "Amor fati!"

    “Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.”

    "One must imagine Sisyphus happy."


    memento vivire
    :fire:
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    Tis the mind that makes the body rich. — William Shakespeare
    ... "Knowledge means questioning," answered Reb Mendel.
    "What will we get out of the questions? What will we get out of all the answers which only lead to more questions, since questions are born of unsatisfactory answers?" asked the second disciple.
    "The promise of a new question," replied Reb Mendel.
    — Edmond Jabès
  • The Death of Roe v Wade? The birth of a new Liberalism?
    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof
    ... maybe a first (half) baby step. :mask:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/02/va-plans-to-offer-abortion-services-to-certain-veterans-and-beneficiaries-00054694
  • Quantum Mechanics, Monism, Isness, Meditation
    ↪T Clark
    :100: :up:
  • Trust
    ↪Agent Smith
    :roll:
  • Trust
    So I shouldn't trust grammar?
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