More on character then will move on

Many on the left suggested that he is a racist. How do we know that it's true? Should that concern us? Let's again break it down and deconstruct what we think we know.

1. Donald Trump during his property management interests was accused of discriminating and settle out of court.
2. Fred Trump was involved in the KKK rally in New York City and was incarcerated.
3. Donald Trump during his presidency has explicitly disparaged minority women and has told them to go back to their countries because he didn't like them critiquing him.
4. Donald Trump routinely uses racist language and appears to support extreme white nationalism.

Please feel free to ask me questions as to whether those propositions are sound.

Not impeachment. Impeachment is a political process not a legal one

Bill Clinton & Monica Lewinsky. And please refer to Lindsey Graham's concerns about cleansing the office.

I'm going to make a case. I'm going to cover a lot of ground. You don't like that?

What I will attempt to do is use basical logical inference so that the layperson can grasp a better understanding of the criteria that we expect from our leaders. First let's look at his character then we will move on to other performance related criteria:

1. Donald Trump paid off a pornstar and a Playboy bunny and lied about it on air Force one.(And his lawyer went to jail for campaign finance violations.)
2. Donald Trump was on tape disparaging women's genitalia.
3. Over his career Donald Trump has made other explicit derogatory remarks towards women.
4. Misogyny is partially described as sexual objectivication and bellitlement of women.
5. Is it reasonable to infer that Donald Trump is a misogynist.

Please feel free to question me on any of those propositions.

OK I edited it out, just give me a second I'm eating dinner

No. This is a different thread and I will explain why shortly

Hey Nos, about his character viz racism, did you see this about his dad too? Seems like it's running in the family background.

BTW I'm starting a new thread about impeachment, so if you want to grow some balls, come on over LOL

The article:

Side-by-side photographs on Facebook of President Donald Trump and his father Fred Trump attempt to show a family pattern of white supremacy.

"Donald Trump: A white supremacist...just like dad," reads large text in a post shared by the group Anti-Trump USA on Feb. 25.

On Donald Trump's side, the post highlights his partial quote from a news conference that there were "fine people on both sides" after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.

Beneath a photo of Fred Trump, the text states he was "arrested participating in KKK riot" in 1927.

The post contains some elements of truth about Fred Trump: He was arrested that year in connection with a clash between the KKK and police amid a parade in Queens. But the post goes beyond what is known about his actions to say he was "participating."

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) A spokesman for the White House did not comment for the story.

The arrest
The story of Fred Trump’s arrest at a KKK rally has challenged reporters even before his son entered the 2016 presidential race.

The KKK riot broke out during the May 30, 1927, Memorial Day parade in Jamaica, Queens, N.Y., according to archives from The Brooklyn Daily Eagle.

A week prior, police commissioner Joseph Warren was warned that the Klan intended to parade in hoods and gowns. Warren said they were not issued a permit to have a parade, but a report later said the KKK had permission from the Grand Army of the Republic, a veterans’ organization that had charge of the parade arrangements.

However, on the day of the parade, police were unable to keep at least 1,000 Klansmen from participating. The New York Times stated that "1,000 Klansmen and 100 policemen staged a free-for-all battle in Jamaica."

Fred Trump, then 21, was arrested at the parade along with six others, according to the New York Times. (His address was listed as 175-25 Devonshire Road, Jamaica, which matched the 1930 Census.) However, unlike the other men arrested who faced various charges of assault and disorderly conduct, the Times reported that Trump "was discharged."

We checked other reports of the riot to find more information — and found some discrepancies. A May 31, 1927, Brooklyn Daily Eagle article named six prisoners and all but one, bystander Ralph Losee, were called "avowed Klansmen" by the police. But this article did not mention Trump's name.

I didn't know if you saw this, but I stumbled upon it reading your other thread. Since you didn't respond to me over there, I thought maybe the 'public' over here could offer some guidance on it. What happened here you think? Are you concerned about this?

A Secret Racist Code

The lawsuit—which Trump Management settled in 1975 with a consent decree, and which they noted at the time did not constitute an admission of wrongdoing—detailed numerous instances of a racial code that Trump-owned buildings allegedly used to indicate if an applicant was black or otherwise “undesirable.”

A super who worked for the Trumps, Thomas Miranda, allegedly told the DOJ that Trump Management staffers had instructed him to “attach a separate sheet of paper to every application submitted by a prospective ‘colored’ renter.”

“Miranda was to write a ‘C’ in order to indicate to management that the prospective renter was ‘colored,’” the DOJ noted in court documents.

Elyse Goldweber, an attorney on the case, claimed Miranda had been reluctant to talk to her and have his name disclosed because “he was afraid that the Trumps would have him ‘knocked off.’” Miranda was also allegedly afraid to reveal to the Trumps that he was Puerto Rican and instead told them he was South American because he thought they “did not want Puerto Ricans living or working in the building,” according to Goldweber’s documentation.

In another instance, Goldweber said, Miranda told another tenant that Trump’s central office did not want him to rent to an Indian man—and that they only agreed to rent to the individual after they found out he had United Nations connections and that a rejection “might cause an unnecessary confrontation.”

NOS, I believe this was settled out of court. It's a shame tax dollars were waisted to litigate it. Swamp in, swamp out I suppose.

I apologize, I'm not following that. Are you saying that those people lied? How do you know? Did you talk to them?



If so, it doesn't make sense. There was a settlement that suggested wrong doing. Mmmm.

Hey NOS, please help shed light on this??? What do you know about this?

" From the late 1940s to the early 1960s the obsessions of the conservative right were communism, subversion, dangerous homosexuality, beatniks, the sterility (or promise) of suburban housing, and corporate careers"

Agreed. It kind of reminds me of the far-right evangelical base. Do you think they are more, or less, judgmental than they used to be?

"There's usually some reality underlying the political obsession."

I agree. It is safe to say, the 'code' that the OP posits, is apparently alive and well.

"Ans.: if it walks, talks, and quacks like a duck, then there's a good chance it's a duck, and it is not necessary to be a duck to recognize it."

Well said. In life, sooner or later, the truth eventually comes out.

I'm not following that, could you explain?

Any thoughts on the secret code viz. property management?

I'm curious, is there something there that doesn't seem right?

I think the accuser's ears are always ringing, as you say, because there's usually wrongdoing of some kind. Take for example, the current President's history viz. racism. Unfortunately, as you pointed out in the article, the codes used by Nixon are very reminiscent here:

A Secret Racist Code

The lawsuit—which Trump Management settled in 1975 with a consent decree, and which they noted at the time did not constitute an admission of wrongdoing—detailed numerous instances of a racial code that Trump-owned buildings allegedly used to indicate if an applicant was black or otherwise “undesirable.”

A super who worked for the Trumps, Thomas Miranda, allegedly told the DOJ that Trump Management staffers had instructed him to “attach a separate sheet of paper to every application submitted by a prospective ‘colored’ renter.”

“Miranda was to write a ‘C’ in order to indicate to management that the prospective renter was ‘colored,’” the DOJ noted in court documents.

Elyse Goldweber, an attorney on the case, claimed Miranda had been reluctant to talk to her and have his name disclosed because “he was afraid that the Trumps would have him ‘knocked off.’” Miranda was also allegedly afraid to reveal to the Trumps that he was Puerto Rican and instead told them he was South American because he thought they “did not want Puerto Ricans living or working in the building,” according to Goldweber’s documentation.

In another instance, Goldweber said, Miranda told another tenant that Trump’s central office did not want him to rent to an Indian man—and that they only agreed to rent to the individual after they found out he had United Nations connections and that a rejection “might cause an unnecessary confrontation.”

I believe this was settled out of court. It's a shame tax dollars were waisted to litigate it. Swamp in, swamp out I suppose.

Do you think the taxpayer deserves better?

Here's another phenomenon to consider and/or parse and ponder:

1. Love is a human phenomenon
2. The Christian God (Jesus) represented the ultimate sacrificial Love
3. Love can be an irrational belief
4. Most humans aspire to some form of Love.

If an Atheist wants to posit logic, ask him/her about the definition of Love, and if they aspire to such irrational belief.

Ageed I would like to see a moderate Republican in there someone like Kasich....

I'm definitely fine with a moderate Democrat but I'm not feeling Biden...

Man we really need some moderates to step up

That's a very encouraging analysis and am grateful that you shared that. In a general sense, its comments like those that will help Christianity further its benevolence.

Idealistically, as much as I would have liked to have conceived a 'half woman half man' figure, as absurd as that sounds, I suppose it wouldn't be relatable at all.

Nope I told you dude, it's you and me, a heavyweight title fight.

I will call it something like ' the 2020 election'...

Oh and by the way you can still participate in this thread we'll just start another one...

I've told you before I don't want to be distracted, it's you and me one-on-one so I could beat you and only you!

Let me know when you got the balls to do it, I'll be happy to oblige

Trump Quote:

I want to know who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information because that’s close to a spy,” Trump told staffers with the United States Mission to the United Nations this morning, according to the New York Times. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart with spies and treason, right? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”


Dude, I know why you don't want it to debate me...Wow . You gotta be embarrassed. What do you tell your children?

Guys I'm sorry I'm late to the game but I just heard that Trump is suggesting execution of the whistleblower....this is unbelievable.... Can someone bring that quote up for all of us to see, if not I'll find it and try to post it... !!!!!

Sure, good intuition there !

Well first of all thank you for asking me that. I don't think I could answer it in a few paragraphs because it would involve too much philosophy, psychology, phenomenology and existentialism, as it were.

First of all I love a lot of different religious philosophies including Taoism. But the bottom line appealing thing for me is that the Christian God showed himself has a relatable being. And from history, he (the man known as Jesus) overwhelming represented a virtuous concept of Love.

On a pragmatic level, I benefit from revelatory knowledge which helps me in my quality of life.

Depends on the context and what you're referring to...for example ethics or science or...?

What are you thinking?

Yes broadly speaking or existentially speaking better said, you would be correct.

A cosmological example I gave earlier suggests something other than pure reason that generates this sense of wonder: all events must have a cause (?).

That's also a Kantian synthetic a priori belief system of sorts. But they ( those similar kinds of statements) are necessary for science to test and carry hypothesis forward...

Ha I hear you. That Trumper dude on this thread is in denial of that very thing.

And he's afraid to debate me 1on 1 LOL

Sure my point is you can tell him that he himself is an irrational being, and therefore he has no argument for your ( or anyone's ) belief in God.

God's nature is supposed to be beyond pure reason. That's part of the concept of a God....

Breaking news I just learned that the White House locked down the transcripts from this Ukraine discussion on a special file server....

Okay gotcha. Just a little taste that would help you to understand that essentially since our existence has not been figured out, there exists irrational beliefs. And that they are ok in many walks of life. We, ourselves, by are very nature are irrational.

If someone says that your belief in the Christian God is irrational then the first thing to do is ask them why. If they say it has anything to do with Jesus, then here's one way to handle that:

1. Jesus was known to be half man and half God.
2. Half truths exist in the world as transcending logic.
3. Consciousness transends logic.
4. Jesus was known to have a human conscious.
5. Therefore it is reasonable to infer the Christian God transcends logic and thus is an irrational human belief.

In the interest of time feel free to ask me to define any of those propsitional statements.

No I want to debate you one-on-one and prove that I will beat you !!!

Are you man enough to take the challenge?

Yay, ok awesome! I'll start a thread soon. And no worries, if you chicken out I'll understand!

The public needs to know the truth, an expose you and your (Trump's) ideology for what it is LOL!!!

Debate me one on one. And I will make you cry like a baby LOL!!!!

Come on tough guy are you scared?

Or are you just full of hot air... LOL

Yep I just heard that.

BTW this guy doesn't want to debate me I think he's scared LOL

Look dude, I prayed for the guy. But he is who he is. I've waited, and have had faith, and have also given him the benefits of doubt. But the guy has disappointed and has fallen short in many areas, and has proven me wrong. He keeps doing the same thing. We deserve better dude.

Does that mean all Presidents are perfect? Of course not. but you won't admit to any wrong doing. And you apparently don't think we do deserve better. So I'm going to challenge that!!!

Hey, you might even learn a little something about the danger's of dichotomizing [your sense of logic] politics.

Again, put up or shut up man!

LOL

I wish to uncover the truth about your Donald Trump. The reason is because I want people of this great country to be informed and ready for 2020.

Through our discussion and debate, I predict there will be contradictions, lies, and unethical behavior unbecoming of the Republican Party/Trump. It may even mirror other Presidents like Nixon and Clinton. I will cross over to any and all relevant domains, including the religious-right who also supports him. It will cover all topics of relevant to Philosophy, Psychology and Political Philosophy.

It will also uncover truth about his business dealings, track records as a slum lord, taxes, and ethical behavior unbecoming of what we deserve as a President.

I assert he has not drained the Swamp. He is part of the Swamp.

Can you deal with that tough guy?

I challenge you to debate me one on one!!!! Start a thread. You did NOT answer my questions, well ok maybe one. LOL

Put up or shut up LOL