So, just to recap and interject some reality:

Trump’s idiotic, useless Iran bombing at Israel’s command, like a good little lapdog, has accomplished nothing— beyond (being generous) slightly delaying the enrichment of uranium. Now of course he has to pretend he got rid of the “threat.” Obviously more bullshit from the moron in office.

But what’s interesting is this: Trump has to pretend that this was a success, because everything he does is a success (in his dream world— which a third of the country and the Republican Party and media go along with). So in this world, he “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear threat. Okay.

But Israel needs that threat as a cover to attack Iran further. They were saying Iran was two weeks away from the bomb 13 years ago. Now what? Now they have to go along with pretending the strikes solved the issue — because they need their lapdog. Guess they’ll need another excuse soon. Or perhaps just upset the pile of shit in office, since he’s ultimately irrelevant anyway. Who knows?

Will be fun to watch. And hilarious to hear the cult representatives on the philosophy forum regurgitate the official opinions the algorithm on Twitter has fed them.

Trump play in Iran was nothing short of brilliant. Everyone is saying it. — NOS4A2

:rofl:

Now he even starts talking like Trump. Hilarious.

He must have told Netanyahu in no uncertain terms to call those planes back. — Punshhh

So you have no idea what happened. Got it.

Trump has kicked Netanyahu’s ass. — Punshhh

:lol:

Good lord. How exactly did he do that? Before or after Netanyahu got everything he wanted?

:lol:

I questioned your imbecile comment with pertinent arguments. — neomac

:lol:

Anyone else? Preferably someone who knows something about this issue?

So despite the stupid predictions of countless imbeciles parroting the lies of the media, it turns out — after 3 years — that Russia has succeeded in its goals (which was never to conquer all of Ukraine), and will come out of this with a much better deal than Ukraine will get.

Now it’s just a matter of how many more Ukrainians have to die for a hopeless cause. I’m hoping not many more…

Ah, but when the Jews do it...well, we can't have that. — RogueAI

Who’s “we”?

Actually, “we” are indeed allowing it— and not only allowing it, but supporting it. If by we you mean the US.

There’s violence and territorial disputes all over. Look at Sudan. Look at India and Pakistan. Look at China and Taiwan. Look at history. Look at the Roman Empire. Yes — true. Yet we find it odd that some American citizens have particular gripes about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Vietnam, Korea, Ukraine, and Gaza? Any idea why that might be? Any idea why there were widespread Vietnam protests in the US, but little protesting about the rule of Kim Il Sung?

If this is still hard for you to understand, after literal years of explanation, that’s really a matter of psychological blockage. A kind of denial, I would say. Maybe willfully, maybe subconscious.

To protest the crimes of one’s state, one will naturally be called anti-whatever. In this case, anti-American, or antisemitic. The first line of pathetic counterargument from defenders of state war crimes (provided its their own state). :yawn:

Many of you here are having a very hard time putting yourselves in Israel's shoes and seeing the culpability of Iran here. If you constantly threaten the annihilation of the strongest kid on the block, and fund terrorist proxies to go after him, and you're now scheming to get your hands on a new big weapon...might the problem be you? — RogueAI

Ironic that you say it’s other people having a “hard time” seeing things from another’s shoes,

Israel has nuclear weapons, and has been genocidal and psychopathic. Might the problem be them?

There's a case to be made that a nuclear Iran really could end Israel's existence. — RogueAI

There’s an argument that Israel’s nuclear weapons (which they actually HAVE) could end Iran’s existence. A much better argument, in fact.

So you’re rooting for the mullahs? — Wayfarer

Rooting for? This isn’t the World Wrestling Federation, sorry.

Just think about it for a minute. Even if they took out all sites and materials, which they haven’t, Iran still have the knowledge to do so, and now an even greater incentive to start again — with deeper bunkers. So what was the achievement?

They're already in deep shit economically and isolated politically and militarily. — Wayfarer

And you know this how? They’ve been damaged, but now they’ll be more determined than ever and their powerful allies can very easily help. It’s unlikely that Russia or China simply give them nuclear weapons (although Pakistan is a question mark), but they can certainly help the country rebuild militarily and economically.

So the regime change is a fail, the nuclear “destruction” is bullshit media propaganda, and really nothing has been accomplished beyond taking out some military leaders — who will be replaced. This was an Israeli war crime — and they sucked the US in as well. Much like the Gaza genocide (“We’re eradicating Hamas”), this is a total failure and will only make Israel less safe and their enemies more determined and numerous.

I think the disabling of the Iranian nuclear capacity is crucial. — Wayfarer

And they haven’t done that. So what was the point?

But for their proxies in Gaza being annihilated — Hanover

They haven’t.

their nuclear facilities being devastated — Hanover

They haven’t.

their being under attack by the strongest military force on the planet — Hanover

True — by air, not on the ground.

their enemy being a 3,000 year old civilization that is relentless — Hanover

You mean a government that is psychopathic and genocidal. True.

I wouldn’t say Iran has “won” anything. Except perhaps bringing China and Russia closer to them. But most of these US/Israeli war crimes have been largely stupid and ineffective, especially if the goal was regime change or stopping the pursuit of nuclear weapons. Otherwise, they’ve made great political theater for Trump and Netanyahu.

Stupid strawman from the posturing village idiot. :yawn:

Wolff called it ‘a vanity bombing’. As far as Trump’s motivation is concerned, I think it’s likely an accurate description. — Wayfarer

:up: Serves no purpose otherwise.

I see more and more how racism plays a key role in all this. The barbarians are Iranians and Palestinians. We hate their culture, so that justifies genocide and war crimes.

Media is pretty awful with this stuff too.

Iran has used "proxies" (often actually Iranian forces) to carry out 170 attacks on US bases just since the start of the Gaza War. — Count Timothy von Icarus

In that case, the US’s “proxy” is committing a genocide, and the US itself has been singing “Bomb bomb Iran” for years, as well as supplying its proxy with weapons and equipment to carry out its war crimes.

I wonder how we would react if Mexico, with the aid of China, decided to take out our top military personnel and bomb our nuclear facilities, simply because they didn’t want us having a bomb (even though they have them— illegally). Would the reaction be calm and measured?

including attacks on US forces over the last several years, — Count Timothy von Icarus

When has Iran attacked US forces?

that supporting Hamas has been a disastrous policy and accepting defeat (which is already here, — Count Timothy von Icarus

Hamas is alive and well. Its numbers will undoubtably grow after all this. The failure has been the professed goal that was given in justification for genocide— Namely the destruction of Hamas.

Sure, the policies have now led to war crimes against Iran, from the Israeli and US governments— but I for one admire the solidarity. Same for the Houthis. Standing up against genocide is commendable, regardless of outcome.

Anyway — these war crimes have so far accomplished nothing. It’s a publicity stunt by the casino-bankrupting moron in office, who couldn’t locate Iran on a map with a gun to his head. The lies being told about nuclear weapons are laughable— yet it’s the new “weapons of mass destruction” line. Guess we never learn our lesson.

How serious are you being here?

Ah, Trump's big beautiful war is here. Trump the peacemaker, Trump the "no-foreign-wars" peace president! :rofl: — ssu

Right— now those same people who insisted Trump was “better” than Biden — because at least he was anti-war (“no wars under his four years”) — insist that this shouldn’t be surprising, because he’s just doing what all presidents have done. Which is true — just really two faced to wave it off now.

Maybe it’s a one-off thing and Iran will restrain itself in its response. Either way it’s a stupid and dangerous move, and accomplishes nothing. You can’t get regime change without ground forces, you can’t destroy their nuclear sites, and you won’t get them to “surrender unconditionally.”

The whole thing is stupid and pointless.

Guess we can lose the question mark…Welcome to Trump’s new war.

:lol:

Boring Nazi. :yawn:

It must be nice to have nothing to stand for — BitconnectCarlos

There you have it folks. Add to the list above: if you’re against genocide (when committed by Israel), you stand for “nothing.”

Surely you could hear similar critiques in Nazi Germany too. Ironically.

I think they're only being ruled by insane fundamentalist muslims. — BitconnectCarlos

Much like Israel is only being ruled by insane Jews. Still, a lot of support for that genocidal government too.

Israel has said it does not target Iranian civilians, but hundreds have died in the violence, among them a poet and her family, an equestrian and a graphic designer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/18/world/middleeast/iran-civilian-deaths-israel-strikes.html

Well Israel says it— so it must be true.

To which the MRA would likely say, e.g., "It's not that we ignore the abuse of women, it's that we focus on the abuse of men." — BitconnectCarlos

Yeah, and?

Nevermind. Just pretend I’m antisemitic instead. Even more stupid, but at least this way you won’t hurt your brain with something as difficult as “focusing.”

For others, try this: I tend to focus on my daughter’s well being. That doesn’t really mean I ignore the well being of my nieces and nephews. I condemn the violence in Sudan— but my country isn’t integrally a part of that violence. This isn’t hard stuff, unless you’re in the process of defending a racist, genocidal government.

It's not hard. If one were to focus on, let's say, abuse towards men, one would likely become a men's rights activist. — BitconnectCarlos

Yeah — and it would be they ignore the abuse of women. At least in your world.

Also no gum chewing and walking.

How else am I supposed to interpret I focus on the violence that my country has a direct hand in. — BitconnectCarlos

Yeah, must mean I ignore all other violence if the US has minimal influence in it.

Well at least you see it now. That’s admirable.

Yeah I don’t think Trump will be any different. Quite contrary to propaganda, Israel is the terrorist state in the region, and not only threatens to destroy others, they go and do it. They also claim they don’t want to see nuclear weapons in the hands of other nations in the region, yet they themselves have nuclear weapons.

And none of it would be possible without the US. Since Israel is seen as a stabilizing force in the region for our interests, historically with the oil supply, and they have such a powerful lobby, I think the likely outcome is the destruction of much of Iran — but much like the failure to eradicate Hamas, they’ll never eradicate the Iranian “threat.” This will only increase solidarity domestically and animosity towards Israel. Such a stupid move for the country.

But at least Netanyahu stays out of jail a while longer.

What is the point with debating a supporter of a paranoid, ethno-supremacist, racist, genocide enabling state? — Manuel

He gets the absolute minimal effort or time from me. Yeah, might as well talk to a brick wall— but it’s really in case others are reading.

But, let's say that Kamala was today the POTUS, would the Democrats change anything in their approach to this conflict? — Eros1982

Democrat or Republican, the Israel lobby gets what it wants. It’s quite predictable. Anyone hoping Trump would be different was probably kidding themselves.

ignores that of another. — BitconnectCarlos

Nope. :yawn:

Just stick to defending genocide because it’s your favorite Jewish government. Don’t bother with shallow attempts at characterizing other “worldviews.”

For anyone keeping count:

When we kill innocent people, intentions are good and it’s always because terrorists are around.

When they do it, it’s because they’re animals.

If one criticizes the genocide of our team, they’re:

- ignoring the violence in xyz.
- holding standards that are too high
- antisemites
- really responsible for more deaths somehow…something about ideology
- ignoring WW2

It’s encouraging that polls show lack of support for this bullshit, and it’s getting so strong — and the lobby is so frightened — that they have to suppress protests and demonstrations. A healthy sign. This latest aggression from Israel will only cement such attitudes.

I focus on the violence that my country has a direct hand in.

That’s been explained to you countless times. But please do go on with your tired list of genocide deflections.

your ideology has more blood on its hands — BitconnectCarlos

:rofl:

I can hear Sean Hannity now: Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin. You know, “leftists.”

I think the ideology you’re looking for, beyond Abrahamic religions, is capitalism. But whatever — you do you.

Imagine you have a homicidal and fanatical enemy in your region — BitconnectCarlos

We don’t have to imagine. It’s called Israel — and they already have nuclear weapons. Unfortunately.

Nothing will ever be good enough for you, Mikie. — BitconnectCarlos

A good example, folks. This is what defenders of genocide eventually resort to.

Don’t like genocide? Must be my very high standards. Or antisemitism.

Jewish Supremacist state = self-determination.

:yawn:

This current war was initiated on October 7, 2023 — BitconnectCarlos

No.

If Israel were launching operations from those homes and apt buildings, they're legitimate targets. — BitconnectCarlos

Cool, so you support Iran’s actions. I applaud your consistency.