• Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Reduce globalism? And his wall isn’t built yet so the hordes of bad hombres are still invading our country!
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    You were politely asked to present an argument showing how it’s productive to use this term.
    — praxis

    It is descriptive, not productive.
    Nobeernolife

    Yes, of course it’s not. At least you’re able to admit that. Good, the first step to addressing a problem is knowing of its existence.
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    Well, Adams is also a trained hypnotist and looks at the human situation from that point.Nobeernolife

    A cartoonist AND hypnotist. He’s definitely managed to influence you on a deep level (below the intellect).

    Anyway, I did agree that TDS can be misunderstood as personal name-calling, But surely you agree that it is not on the same level as "Trumpanzees" or "Orange-Otan".Nobeernolife

    You were politely asked to present an argument showing how it’s productive to use this term. Or perhaps you don’t actually care about productivity and good argumentation. :chin:
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    How helpful and convenient that anyone who has a different point of view is rendered unable to think on your level because they are sick.
    — Monitor
    Err, no, that was not was I am saying. Don´t fall into Cathy Newman mode here...
    Nobeernolife

    The entire point of TDS is an attempt to invalidate opposing views. Even you must realize this on some level.
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    Yeah, I have been talking about TDS, which I see as real medical situation. (Scott Adams says the same.)Nobeernolife

    So you and a cartoonist making a medical diagnosis. Is this somehow productive? If you believe it is then kindly present a reasonable argument to support this belief.
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    Ever considered that is not only not an argument, but also counterproductive?Nobeernolife

    This coming from you of all people. :lol:
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    True to form, Trump is dealing with the problem of public fear by attacking the media:

    "What do you say to Americans who are scared though? I guess, nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are sick, millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now," Alexander asked. "What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?"

    “I say that you’re a terrible reporter,” Trump said. “That’s what I say. I think that’s a very nasty question. The American people are looking for answers and they’re looking for hope, and you’re doing sensationalism," Trump said. (Source)
    Relativist

    Shows that he must be cracking under the pressure and what a terrible leader he is. Pence answered the same softball question by the same reporter in a normal reassuring way.
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    But interesting that you mention the "deficit" in the same breath while demanding that the government spends money. Cognitive dissonance?Nobeernolife

    I only mentioned Trump/Republican policies. Projection?
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    Bernie voters.... they seem to think that "the government" sits on a giant pot of gold can make every "free" for everyone, without any other effects on the country.Nobeernolife

    Other voters think that tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, building a multi-billion dollar wall, driving up the deficit, blah blah... won’t have any effects???
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    You fight by not defending the CCP. Yup, sounds about right.
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    It’s not just politics. We can just let it happen or we can fight back. I prefer the latter.NOS4A2

    What are you doing to “fight back”?
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    Photos of Trump's prepared remarks for Thursday's White House briefing show he altered 'Corona Virus' to 'Chinese Virus'

    Why is he doing this?
    Michael

    It plays well into his supporters xenophobia, seriously.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Now he’s talking about sending cash to working American’s, and bailing out entire industries.NOS4A2

    He’s a god damn socialist. :razz:
  • Coronavirus
    My gym is closing now until further notice. :confused:Michael

    I got a TRX thing and some bands the other day in preparation for this eventuality. You can get a full body weight workout and it doesn’t take up any space in your house. Also not as expensive as dumbbells and such.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    DOJ moves to drop charges against Russians accused of funding troll farmNOS4A2

    Congrats to you benefactors. :party:
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    Simply put, Libertarians primary value personal liberty, whereas Liberals (American at least) value fairness and care above liberty.

    Socialists can only be authoritarian as they think they know what is "good" for everyone, and want to impose their morality on everyone else. It really is no different than a religion.

    Are you still equating liberals and socialists?

    All political brands are like religion in the way that you mean.
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    I’m rather shy by nature so the social distancing thing is going to be a walk in the park. I imagine it will be tough for extroverts.
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    I said socialist-in-liberal-clothes', as in a wolf-in-sheep-clothes, as in knowing you're a socialist, but trying top pass yourself off as a libertarian (the only true liberal), in order for you ideas to sound more reasonable to others.Harry Hindu

    I think that a true libertarian’s ideas might sound more reasonable if they pretended to be a conservative or liberal. Anyway, a ‘socialist’ could stand for a wide range of things. An American liberal is much more specific.
  • Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.
    I can’t make any sense of your question.NOS4A2

    The point is simple, other minds (environment) can deliberately condition or manipulate the conditioning of a brain. In this way, it cannot be said that stress is self-generated or begins in the brain.

    To use your example with the orcas, someone who believes that they’re swimming with dolphins could be tricked by someone else into believing that they’re swimming with orcas in order to induce stress in that person.
  • Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.
    Point is that the conditioning is in part responsible for the level of stress. Conditioning can be external to the effected brain, can it not?
    —praxis

    If you mean that one can train his brain by exposing himself to stressful environments, and that these environments are external, then yes.
    NOS4A2

    :lol: but not yes if others (part of an environment) deliberately condition a brain?
  • Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.
    A person conditioned to swimming with Orcas may have less stress in that situation, but that isn’t because the situation was different, but because the body is.NOS4A2

    Point is that the conditioning is in part responsible for the level of stress. Conditioning can be external to the effected brain, can it not?
  • Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.
    Stress, as a biological phenomenon, starts in the brain. This is a biological fact.NOS4A2

    A person may be conditioned to not be fearful of swimming with orcas, or at least be much less fearful than others.

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    Does instinct and conditioning also begin in the brain?
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    Another meaningless example.

    An extreme (or stupid) position requires extreme support.
  • Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.


    The only meaningful example you could give to support your position would be that of a human being who would not experience stress under any circumstances.
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    It seems that Trump has succeeded in getting into every socialist-in-liberal-clothes' heads.Harry Hindu

    The notion that liberals are closeted socialists is another sticky idea, apparently.
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    Italy has 15k cases and 1k deaths? That’s around 6.6%
  • Bernie Sanders
    I don’t consider all lending with interest a bad thing, whereas I consider all murder bad.

    I think people would vote for legislation that restricted the worst payday lending practices, even though it might restrict the “freedom” of some to be predators.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Credit card companies are allowed to charge upwards of 30% interest for the remaining life of the loan if the borrower is late just once. That is predatory lending, especially given the way compound interest accrues and is satisfied.creativesoul

    It’s a little hard to consider that predatory when payday lenders, for instance, charge over ten times that interest rate and knowingly target those in a desperate position.
  • Bernie Sanders
    you give the impression of being a paid troll.Baden

    Hopefully someone is paying him. I hate to think he’s getting all butthurt for nothing.
  • Bernie Sanders
    In my defense I have hundred more mentions than I do comments, meaning I get thousands of emails notifying me of people commenting to me.NOS4A2

    How is that a defense? It could indicate trolling behavior.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Discard the voices of the poor as irrelevant, eh? Then what is relevant? The claims of some life-long politician who has lived off tax-payer dollars the majority of his life? Some other member of the professional-managerial class, perhaps? These people do not care about the poor; they use the poor.NOS4A2

    Punshhh has a point, you make a caricature of yourself with this kind of crap. Like a wind-up troll doll set to auto repeat.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Whereas personal borrowing tends to be more to do with a remedy for poor financial planning, or issues around poverty.Punshhh

    I don’t know the statistics but I would guess mortgages and credit card debt comprise the bulk of personal borrowing in the US.
  • Bernie Sanders
    The worst part is that this belief in poverty outcomes being affected by personal behaviour is that it actually compounds low socio-economic status.Benkei

    I believe that’s the point, maintaining the status quo, or better still, Making America Great Again (pre civil rights act).
  • Does anybody actually agree here?
    I can only think of one person here who I feel is generally in the same philosophical camp as me overall, 180 Proof, with whom I can only recall one disagreement on one topicPfhorrest

    I don't recall any disagreement with 180, but that doesn't mean my little pup tent is in the same campground.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Initiative is primary to opportunity. Without initiative, conditions and opportunity are wasted.NOS4A2

    Your view is clearly biased. Didn't you read the world bank study?
  • Bernie Sanders
    Actually, having just skimmed the world bank study that you link to, it appears you're being somewhat misleading. The study supports the importance of both initiative and opportunity for upward mobility.
    – praxis

    Given this information, is it then true or false that “personal choices have very little to do with socio-economic (upward) mobility”?
    NOS4A2

    As the world bank study supports, that depends on opportunity.

    A prisoner can escape their confinement and validly claim that it was 100% their individual initiative that allowed them to escape. The ease of their escape would, of course, depend on the available opportunities.
  • How to become an overman
    Let's face it, it's an overmans world.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Then your aim is propaganda, nothing besides.NOS4A2

    Actually, having just skimmed the world bank study that you link to, it appears you're being somewhat misleading. The study supports the importance of both initiative and opportunity for upward mobility.
  • Bernie Sanders
    Despite that, over 87% of people reported that “individual initiative” is what helped them escape poverty.NOS4A2

    Around only 56 years ago the civil rights act was helpful. 100% of those who were discriminated against and escaped poverty prior to the act could legitimately claim that individual initiative helped them escape poverty.