Folks, why do I buy different coloured collars for my dog? Why do I say that my dog’s favourite ball is the red one? Why do I put the water and food in different coloured bowls? My dog doesn’t care at all. She acts with different biological impulses. She goes to eat where the food is, and she goes to run whenever a park is. Dogs don’t waste time with socially biassed conventions like we do.

Yes, it is awesome. The eye is probably one of the most important sensory organs, yet it is a bit underrated.

Rather than perceiving colour, I believe we perceive light and reflection. That is why a blind person suffers from no light perception. Therefore, a blind person will never understand the social convention of ‘red’, ‘blue’ or ‘yellow’. It is a waste of time to explain to them that our world is colourful because a colour is not something they can smell or taste. Without light, everything is over regarding perceiving electromagnetic spectrum.

Asking for a 'green', 'red', or 'blue' pen is simply picky. The aim of every pen is to write, not to display colours.

If "red" is just in your mind, when you ask for a red pen, how is it that the person you are asking hands you what you want? — Banno

You would know it when that person handed you the 'red pen’. If that person mistakenly hands you a blue one, you should ask for a red one instead. Another example of how colours are social conventions. At the very least, the person is obeying by handing over the pen.

I can only say that I appreciate your help in this thread, Lionino. I like the first post more than the second because it is clearer. You know, when AI shows up, everything becomes unnecessarily complex. By the way, I am not entitled to argue or agree with those formulations because I am not good enough at logic. I hope better users read that and can provide some fruitful answers or feedback. 

I do end up ignoring users who can't drum up anything more than shoddy strawmen, actually. — Leontiskos

I am aware of how you will perceive me from now on. It is that simple to ignore me (and other users like me) without the unnecessary extra effort to change the rules of this site from its roots.

Perhaps the quality would have been improved if there had been limits. — Leontiskos

In an ideal world the poster of a thread would be able to determine the posting limit within their thread, — Leontiskos

Fair enough. I guess those limitations will increase from time to time. First, the 15-minute span, and maybe later you would allow answering to only users you like. That’s your ‘ideal’ world. I only hope the administrators don’t take you seriously, and fortunately the software on this site doesn’t allow such an amount of crank.

You claim a posting time limit, but you are answering me very quickly. Aren’t you realising this is not a great idea, given the way we are having this exchange?

Surprisingly, I am the one that respects the time limit. More than you do.

No I didn't. Did you even read my post? — Leontiskos

Yes, you did.

Perhaps encouraging more thoughtful and effortful posts for new users would elevate the philosophical standard across the board. — Leontiskos

So they don't turn into a shitshow of petty insults? Political threads are the best place for such a rule. — Leontiskos

It will not change anything. Politics are already bollocks and a clown show. Don’t expect the users to elaborate thoughtful answers. I can’t see the point of reading the same political dullness right now or in the next 15 minutes. Do you really think it will have a big impact on the constant tit for tat?

Bah. You are obsessed with rules. — Banno

:up:

And, this:

Posting limits.For example, maybe users start with one thread per week and one post per 15 minutes. — Leontiskos

I remember you posted similar dullness last year. You have a weird obsession with limiting the participation of the users. Again, you forget that not all the threads are about philosophy. There is The Shoutbox, which works like a chitchat, and it will not be effective to limit the time. On the other hand, look at the political threads. What’s the point of limiting the time and words in those threads? Folks discuss it like a ping pong game. Your proposal would reduce the participation in this forum and make it boring. It seems that you seek a place where a question is posted, then you reply with a huge answer, and that’s all. But one of the main features here is the dynamic nature of the interactions with each other. 

Oh, you also refer to ‘new’ members. But you just joined one year ago. Do you consider yourself a veteran or “new”?

That's a good example. :up:

So you perceive hot weather when you think in red. Interesting because when I think in red, I am reminded of the deliciousness of apples.

But could we experience the red colour itself?

When you say you've had the experience of seeing red, — frank

I would pay for experiencing that experience. How would it be? Like the sweetness of a candy or the sharp odour of non-drinking water?

Imagine for a second that red actually exists outside of our subjective view. What would happen if I called ‘blue’ what is typically named 'red' by most people? 
You would answer: Colour vision deficiency (CVD), right?
But why does this happen? Can I see something red without realising it is red? How can I experience the reddish?

:up: :100:

Ramon Llull, — Gregory

Thank you for making mention to Ramon Llull.
I hardly see references or allusions from my country's philosophers, thinkers, and mystics. I respect your cultural knowledge. Another significant Peninsular author is San Isidoro de Sevilla.

Holo. La acabo de hojear. Está bastante bien, no la conocía hasta ahora. Gracias por recordármela. Verás, voy a ser muy honesto contigo en relación a aprender la lengua española o usar webs/manuales para practicar.

De países latinoamericanos como Chile te puedes fiar íntegramente. Tienen excelentes lingüistas y generalmente no son rencorosos con España. De hecho, cultivan de una manera asombrosa sus estudios. No pasa así con países cómo Perú, Colombia o México, donde siempre están con sus mierdas de la cultura precolombina. De hecho, dicen: lengua mexicana ¿pero qué cojones es eso? El Nahuatl supongo. En fin…

De hecho adoro cuando la página web chilena dice: es un recurso global, que no sólo captura la esencia chilena, sino hispana en general.

Aunque suene muy triste no tenemos entre nosotros la misma unión, como por ejemplo, existe en el mundo anglosajón…

la Helena — Lionino

Si, es verdad. Es la que más me ha gustado de lejos. De hecho me encanta sus análisis de las expresiones. Mangas verdes es mi favorita y ahuecar el ala lo decimos mucho.

Me alegro que te tomes en serio este hilo, y te guste el español como lengua. Evidentemente no te voy a obligar a usar exclusivamente un español de España. Pero de vez en cuando hay que saber diferenciar. El español de Chile tiene un nivel muy alta. De otros sitios no tanto.

PD: perdona mi laísmo. Soy de Madrid y no lo puedo evitar jeje.

I'm having visions of the forums being overtaken by the self-replicating grey goo of misnamed threads concerning 0.9999... — Banno

Folks are abducted by the philosophy of mathematics during summertime. The effect of being burned down by the sun...

Not following you here - there is more to clarity, and to logic, than just syntax. — Banno

I agree. I just wanted to point out that syntax is a tool to make clear sense of our sentences. Not the only one, for sure. But it is one of the main tools in linguistics at least.

For example: sometimes logic formulas or axioms are not clear, but thanks to syntax we can get a better approach to understand it.

If syntax is not a tool for working with sentences, what is the main point of syntax then?
Does logic make clear what we do with sentencing as Banno suggested?

I can’t see how ‘P(a)→Q(a)’ helps me to properly write: ‘the cute dog ate the bone’ for example.

Because you said in the post I quoted above: "It's acting as a tool to make clear what it is we are doing with our sentences."

And, that's what syntax is about. The arrangement of words and phrases in a specific order to make clear what we are doing with our sentences. Transposing them could change the meaning. So, syntax is the specific tool to make our phrases clear or let's say, 'understandable'. I don't attempt to deny the value of logic in all of this. I simply think that this is a subject of linguistics rather than logic.

It's acting as a tool to make clear what it is we are doing with our sentences. — Banno

I thought that was the job of syntax rather than logic.

Fred is a good boy. :cheer:

De comer: filetes rusos y patatas fritas.

Hidden among the leaves. Even a whirlwind cannot move it from its place. It's always there. Sometimes ochre, other times green. My dog barks at it often.
Gervasio, the cock of my neighbour.

Some people would have a filthy mind after reading this hyper-short story, while others would not.

THE END.

Good OP, Lionino. Switching logic into natural languages was a big handicap in my last thread. It seemed to be a simple riddle for everyone, until I asked to explain it with natural language and whether the concepts of ambiguity and contradictory are similar or not. I only got answers using logic language constantly until RussellA wrote a very good example using natural language.

I have to agree that statements like A∧B are universal, and I guess it helps people use logic quickly and easily. But, again, it is outstanding to see those logic formulas explained in language. It seems they are only allowed to use it with "A" and "B" in the premises.

So, what could one say about ¬(A→B) in English? — Lionino

I don't get it, but I'm confident I could get it using natural English. Is there a substantial difference?

On the flip side, can the English meaning of "A does not imply B" be converted to logical formulas? — Lionino

To what extent should it be converted into logic formulas?

I wouldn't call myself a fan in particular. — T Clark

Yes, I knew you were not a fan in particular, but I will consider you my partner when it comes to Japanese films, and I vow to recommend you some of them frequently. :smile:

The Eel is another good film by Shohei Imamura. Since I know Clarky (@T Clark) is another fan of Japanese films, I recommend you watch it whenever you can. Cheers.

Tomiichi Murayama who served as Prime Minister of Japan from 1994 to 1996. He is 100 years old and still living. Murayama led a difficult legislature and confronted a major crisis: the 1995 Great Hanshin Earthquake.

Yeah, that smells like bait. — Lionino

The $10,000 is in New Zealand Dollars. Seems legit. The prize is not in virgin-bitcoins or loser ‘ethereum’ scam at least. Everything that comes from NZ is rather reliable to me.

Yeah, a team of experts would be great, but I haven't got one, so I'm afraid you're stuck with me. — Dan

I wish I could help with this challenge, but I am far from being a trustworthy philosopher/thinker. I am a total novice. :lol:

Hello Amity! Happy to read posts from you again. :smile:

How can you not with that fantastic football result in Euro24 final!? Spain 2 - England 1. — Amity

It was a nice night, but I quickly went back to my normal life. Although it is always great to watch your country lift cups, it is, at the same time, quite sad that we only know how to stay together in football tournaments. In the rest of life aspects everything is messy here...

At least in the UK with Labour toppling the Tories. Yesterday, PM Keir Starmer hosted a European Political Community summit at Blenheim Palace - hopefully building stronger relationships...we will see... — Amity

Yes! I read similar news here, and we discussed it in the 'Brexit' thread. I am happy to know Sir Starmer wants to get closer to European countries and build stronger relationships. Yet, I wonder to what extent he has in mind another referendum to ask the British people to reunite the EU or not... Let's see what he does in his mandate. I wish him the best! The Tories deserved such a brutal loss. They cheated on people and their management of the country was outrageous.

But, of course, the hard right are still around. Boris, Truss and Farage hurrying off to support Trump. — Amity

U.S.A is becoming an extremely hazardous country. I hope we do not reach that point. Yes, there are still divisions across Europe, but not to the point of violence (with the exception of Slovakia's Prime Minister). Poor mate...

Oh, what is the deadline? Do we have all summer? A month? ... just a week?

Cool challenge! I am in. Let's see if I can solve it. It seems legit and interesting, but I have a few inquiries: 

* Whether a solution is successful will be determined exclusively by me and my decision is final. — Dan

Isn't this a bit unfair? In most contests or 'challenges', the final decision of who is the best applicant is usually determined by the vote of at least three members. The quality of each solution will only depend exclusively on your criteria. Don't get me wrong, I respect it.

On the other hand: If the winner happens to be a TPF member, could we know who of us won this challenge, or will the decision be kept confidential?

How the Japanese look at US politics. — javi2541997

I don’t get why the Republican shakes woman’s hands and in the Democrat cartoon there are apartments. Does this imply that Republicans are as friendly with women as Democrats are with town planning?

How the Japanese look at US politics. (comic in recent Tokyo newspaper)

If only I were able to understand such a beautiful language as Greek…

A noble soul. Rare nowadays, but being Greek it doesn't surprise me. — Lionino

I agree. Greeks are humble and loyal. God bless Kazantzakis and the souls of our Hellenic and Mediterranean brothers! 

The City and Its Uncertain Walls. by Haruki Murakami.

@praxis @T Clark et all Murakami fans.

His most recent book is fantastic. It is indescribable his talent to express a sweet sense of melancholy through his characters and places. I think Murakami is sentimental and nostalgic, and so am I. That’s why I like him so much. I can’t even express with words why I 'miss’ the characters of this novel and the ‘city’.
It may seem odd, yet when I read Murakami, this is the classic stimulus I grasp…