Leaves are a cause of us raking them. They're just not a sufficient cause, they are a necessary one. — Isaac
You are conflating condition with cause; a common mistake. — Janus
Really? How? — Isaac
If we're unable to define a human right we shouldn't insist there is one. — counterpunch
Isn't it obvious? Leaves do not cause us to rake them; our desire to rake them does. — Janus
Are you suggesting that there is no such thing as rights afforded to any and all individuals simply because they are human? — creativesoul
Ah, the old "isn't it obvious", argument.
Tell me, how is it, do you think, that it is both "obvious" and "a common mistake"?
So leaves are not a cause of us raking them...because it's obvious that they're not? — Isaac
The idea of "white privilege" is one of those contorted politically correct concepts, confected to cause offence, to divide people and incite the very racist sentiment it is purportedly intended to address. The white working class majority who struggle to make ends meet - cannot but be offended by such a concept, but that's precisely the purpose. — counterpunch
Oh dear, yet another white person that does not know what white privilege is — creativesoul
it was synthesis that called you racist - so why bring it up with me and book273? — counterpunch
I notice you like to attempt to dismiss your interlocutor's arguments by trying to frame them as some cliched, unargued response. — Janus
The distinction between cause and condition is obvious to those who think about, their conflation is a common mistake of those who don't. No contradiction there except for the simple-minded. — Janus
It is obvious to me that leaves don't cause me to rake them, because I don't rake them unless I feel like it, have some reason to and so on. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to just how leaves cause you to take them. — Janus
I do not. — creativesoul
People seem to have forgotten about all the horrible stuff that has happened to poor white people, usually done by other white people, so the concept of white privilege rings hollow to me. — Book273
The idea of "white privilege" is one of those contorted politically correct concepts, confected to cause offence, to divide people and incite the very racist sentiment it is purportedly intended to address. The white working class majority who struggle to make ends meet - cannot but be offended by such a concept, but that's precisely the purpose. — counterpunch
What causes you to 'feel like' raking them? What causes there to be a 'reason' to rake them in your mind? In both cases - the leaves. — Isaac
do not get stopped and harrassed for walking black at night, do not get immediately overlooked for a job because their name is unusual — creativesoul
All lives matter... — Book273
They get harassed for being white in the wrong area of town, at the wrong time. And they don't get over looked because their name is unusual, they get over looked because of the distinctly white name, and not allowed into certain programs as they are immediately disqualified due to being white. — Book273
They get harassed for being white in the wrong area of town, at the wrong time.
And they don't get over looked because their name is unusual, they get over looked because of the distinctly white name, and not allowed into certain programs as they are immediately disqualified due to being white.
All lives matter, each as much, or as little, as the next. Anything else demonstrates discrimination.
"I guess men don't matter that much eh, so hurting them is, not really suggested, but meh, who really cares?"
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