We are saying that the one is existentially dependent upon and thus precedes the other. — creativesoul
The reader’s familiarity with the truth expressed in this proposition is proportional to his familiarity with the experience of thinking scientifically. In proportion as a man is thinking scientifically when he makes a statement, he knows that his statement is the answer to a question and knows what that question is. In proportion as he is thinking unscientifically he does not know these things.
First, it seems to me, is whether P is meaningful in RGC's sense, or a nonsense statement. Assuming it is meaningful, what anterior statement(s) make it meaningful? We know it does not stand in isolation. For one thing it presupposes. Meaning, then, arises from context. RGC tells us that with every P, there is associated some context. What would be an immediate context to ground and make meaningful "I'm ready for bed"? The only one I can think of is, "Am I ready for bed?""I'm ready for bed" [let's call this P] — creativesoul
Prop. 2. ’Every question involves a presupposition.
We are saying that the one is existentially dependent upon and thus precedes the other.
— creativesoul
Yes. — tim wood
RGC troubles to distinguish nonsense statements from meaningful statements. The latter involve presuppositions to which to the statement, or proposition, stand as answer to a question about those presuppositions. And this you do not agree with. A test, then. Write out a proposition - a meaningful proposition - which entails no question at all.Not all statements are made in answer to a question. — creativesoul
The point here is simple: It is a statement that is meaningful and it is not always made in answer to a question. — creativesoul
The point is that in logical terms it is — tim wood
When you say, "I am ready for bed," what do you mean? And to save a step, how do you know you mean it? — tim wood
When I say "I am ready for bed", I mean that I am tired at the time I say it. Perhaps it had been a long physically or mentally exhausting day, and I am ready to lay down and fall asleep for the night. I know that that's what I mean because that's what I've learned to say during such circumstances.
Relevance? — creativesoul
Sure and of course. But how do you know? — tim wood
The point is that when I say that I am ready for bed, I do not always make the statement in answer to a question. Thus, prop. i.) is false, as it is written. — creativesoul
Presumably true statements, so fa as you know. HOW, how-how-how-how-how, do you know they're true? If you cannot answer this question, or do not understand it, or comprehend it, then let's just stop right here.sometimes I make statements — creativesoul
Sure, but you have provided proof that you have no interest in such things. I regret wasting my time with you. And it's too bad your understanding of RGC is so slight and thin that he does not even register on you.Do you have an argument? A valid counter? Something? — creativesoul
Do you have an argument? A valid counter? Something?
— creativesoul
Sure... — tim wood
The latter involve presuppositions to which to the statement, or proposition, stand as answer to a question about those presuppositions. And this you do not agree with. — tim wood
I've given a perfectly adequate example which adequately serves as prima facie empirical evidence that refutes proposition i.) — creativesoul
He is telling you that it is an absolute presupposition of the science he pursues: and I have made him a pathologist because this absolute proposition about all events having causes, which a hundred years ago was made in every branch of natural science, has now ceased to be made in some branches, but medicine is one of those in which it is still made. — Collingwood
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