Yeah, but there's a world of difference between 24/7 solitary confinement and working on the prison farm (or so I've been told). — 180 Proof
What are the benefits and the problems with patriarchy and with matriarchy? — Athena
Women can be scientists, athletes, philosophers, CEOs, soldiers etc just like men. It stands to reason they can also be dictators, — darthbarracuda
I imagine benefits and problems of a gender based social structure would match pretty closely to the benefits and problems of the genders themselves.
Of course a problem common to both a patriarchy and a matriarchy is that it ignores merit in favour of an accident of birth. Anyone who thinks gender is more telling of leadership or social order than individual merit is a fool imo. — DingoJones
This is my understanding of an oversimplified example of what "patriarchy" means in feminism. Here's my translation in to T Clark-speak - Women are not responsible for the society in which they live. Or more strongly, men are to blame. My problem with such statements is not so much they're wrong, although they are, it's that they are deeply disrespectful to women. And men too, for that matter, but that's not the issue I'm trying to deal with. — T Clark
This is my understanding of an oversimplified example of what "patriarchy" means in feminism. Here's my translation in to T Clark-speak - Women are not responsible for the society in which they live. Or more strongly, men are to blame. My problem with such statements is not so much they're wrong, although they are, it's that they are deeply disrespectful to women. And men too, for that matter, but that's not the issue I'm trying to deal with. — T Clark
women are subordinate to men, is that the reality is we all take orders from the police, courts, civil service, politicians, etc., and are subordinate to some authority or another. — Apollodorus
In any case, you don't often see men in Western society with an army of women under their command, or going out of their way to "exploit" and "suppress" women. — Apollodorus
The term "patriarchy" - with all the negative connotations - also occurs among left-wing and far-left groups where it tends to crop up in slogans like "smash patriarchy" that appear side-by-side with "smash capitalism", etc., at some rallies.
I think one problem with the "feminist" view of patriarchy as a system where women are subordinate to men, is that the reality is we all take orders from the police, courts, civil service, politicians, etc., and are subordinate to some authority or another.
In any case, you don't often see men in Western society with an army of women under their command, or going out of their way to "exploit" and "suppress" women.
And, of course, whilst in the West we are waging divisive culture, race, and gender wars, other truly repressive and violent regimes are on the march in Asia, Latin America, Africa, etc. — Apollodorus
You might notice how much the function of government has changed since women have filled the seats of government. — Athena
I am absolutely blown away that we are now talking about how women can not work unless someone cares for their children so the government needs to provide child care. — Athena
"liberating women" to work in the industries just like the communist did long before the US "liberated" women. — Athena
What are the benefits and the problems with patriarchy and with matriarchy? — Athena
What are the benefits and the problems with patriarchy and with matriarchy? — Athena
...as brute force trumps all other virtues. — Michael Zwingli
why didn't the men stay home while the women went out and stabbed one another with spears in the olden days? — Noble Dust
The question of why patriarchy came first, and is so ubiquitous, seems related to the physical attributes of men, which are the clearest differences between them and women. — darthbarracuda
...patriarchy seems to be related to physical and biological differences between men and women. — Apollodorus
I think a feminist might say, with some justification, that the police, courts, civil service, politicians, etc. are all institutions controlled by men. — T Clark
I think traditional family values are important to our liberty and that is why I started this thread. I don't think having to leave children in a daycare center and working like men to support the family is liberating women. — Athena
There are female police chiefs, judges, civil servants, and politicians — Apollodorus
Just think of the thousands of abortions being performed throughout the Western world. If all those babies were saved and given up for adoption or raised by the state, you would have the population of a whole country. But we complain that there is a shortage of workforce and prefer to import people from other places to make up for it. Crazy or what? — Apollodorus
So, you think the state shouldn't make itself useful and do something for the peopl — Apollodorus
And it should refrain from restricting women's choices concerning their own health — Banno
No one was talking about Texas. — Apollodorus
The only alternative to that is to have no children, including involuntary abortions. — Apollodorus
...involuntary abortions... — Apollodorus
Highlights
•We found no evidence of emerging negative emotions over 5 years post-abortion.
•High proportions of women felt abortion was the right decision across all 5 years.
•Relief was the most commonly felt emotion at all times over 5 years post-abortion.
•Initial differences in emotions by abortion decision difficulty converged over time.
•Decision difficulty and perceived stigma predicted decision rightness at 3–5 years.
There are female police chiefs, judges, civil servants, and politicians (including presidents or vice-presidents, prime ministers, and chancellors). — Apollodorus
..unless, say, there was a basic income payed to carers. — Banno
If all those babies were saved and given up for adoption or raised by the state — Apollodorus
According to the web, 87% of police officers are men. As of 2017, 66% of US Federal District Court judges were men... — T Clark
In that case, I'm assuming that the remainder are women. 34% of Federal District Court judges is not negligible. How many are there under the Taliban? — Apollodorus
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