Try watching large portions of the actual trial. He was clearly not guilty and the guy he shot (who didn’t die) also said so.
— I like sushi
No, the guy he shot who survived admitted he'd pulled a gun on him. This alone can't acquit him. For instance, of the murder of the two unarmed men. — Kenosha Kid
I never said it did. Why you focused on that puzzles me given that I gave a blow by blow account of what I learnt from watching the trial directly after those two sentences. — I like sushi
You claim the witness said he was not guilty. That is untrue. — Kenosha Kid
I guess you might have a certain view of what a ‘hero’ is that I don’t — I like sushi
The first shot fired was by a pursuer and Rittenhouse shot back 2.5 seconds later. It was entirely self defense.
— Hanover
That doesn't even match Rittenhouse's testimony. — Kenosha Kid
The witness admitted he was shot in self defence. That is basically the same as saying (in that instance) he wasn’t guilty. I didn’t mean to imply he said anything about his guilt regarding the deaths. — I like sushi
It was a pretty clear cut case — I like sushi
...which is undoubtedly the most fucked-up aspect of this case. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?R had a guardian the night he killed those men who also chaperoned him to and from his murders. — 180 Proof
. It seems fairly obvious (to this non-American, at least) that verdicts like this one are an inevitable byproduct of a society which has normalised both the carrying of guns and the ideology that the right to guns for self-defence is inalienable. I mean the constitution literally talks about the need for militias. So why surprise when a 17 year old wants to playact being in a militia and ends up shooting people? — coolazice
. Less obvious and perhaps more technical is that the prosecution didn't have to go after a murder charge here and could conceivably have pinned Rittenhouse on a lesser offence. Once witness testimony began to poke big holes in the prosecution's case, there was too much doubt to convict. Prosecutors overcharged and underproved. — coolazice
You raise an important issue. So-called "guardianship", the essence of which is authority, is a paper tiger within the context of modern American society. At one time in more traditional, and frankly patriarchal societies, one's father had immense authority over nearly every aspect of his children's lives, an authority having a direct relationship with social class. For instance, if the judgement came down that "you will not marry that young man/woman", then unquestioning obedience was expected by all in society, and that expectation was informally enforced by immense socio-cultural pressure. Within American society, because of both cultural decay and the unwarranted interposition of the state into the private sphere regarding family matters (think DSS), all of the germane aspects of the aforementioned socially stabilizing relationship have been stripped away, leaving only the insubstantial form..a shell without substance. Today, what was once a relationship of near absolute authority has become no more than advisory. Because in American society only the law is assumed to have the power of command (save in the military context), what was once the command of a parent has become no more than the advice of a mentor. This is, in my view, unfortunate as it has a degenerative cultural effect.Namesake guardians i.e. no guardians? — TheMadFool
Yes, I shot an unarmed man, but only because I was worried he'd take the gun I brought to threaten him with off me and shoot me with it." — Kenosha Kid
Yes, I shot an unarmed man, but only because I was worried he'd take the gun I brought to threaten him with off me and shoot me with it."
— Kenosha Kid
Bullets has just been fired, so your insistence that R just opened fire on a peaceful civil rights crowd doesn't reference this case. — Hanover
Again, R's arrival as a counter protestor before a volatile mob brandishing a military grade firearm in order to protect the streets was stupid as shit and it cost lives, and almost his own. The world is worse off for his presence that day.
An apt analogy would be if I choose to wander the poorest gritiest part of town drunk wearing a Rolex, money falling from my pockets and then complaining I got robbed. Sure, robbery is robbery, and I acted legally and they acted illegally, but I'm a screaming dumb ass. — Hanover
Since when does defending yourself against an active shooter make you a "violent criminal"?Two violent criminals are dead. — Harry Hindu
Then R must be color blind because all three people he shot were white. What evidence do you have for this claim? Someone with a "D" next to their name told you?It was a very clear cut case. Rittenhouse went to Kenosha to shoot black people — Kenosha Kid
Stupid. People that think there is an active shooter typically run from the scene, not towards the active shooter. What did he expect to accomplish running at a man with a gun, if not to get shot?The jurors were forbidden from considering the fact that R's second victim had more reason to suspect R -- who had a gun -- would shoot him in cold blood than that first victim -- who had no gun -- would shoot R. The armed R didn't even need to feel threatened by his unarmed victim (i.e. the jury did not need to make sense of that), he merely had to claim that he did. Since nothing but his claims could be considered, the judge ensured a prejudiced jury, and an inevitable miscarriage of justice. — Kenosha Kid
Can you see a future in the US where police officers carrying firearms is unusual? — I like sushi
It was a very clear cut case. Rittenhouse went to Kenosha to shoot black people, did so, but was acquitted by a jury instructed to ignore anything Rittenhouse did to cause concern to others.
Then R must be color blind because all three people he shot were white. What evidence do you have for this claim? Someone with a "D" next to their name told you? — Harry Hindu
Stupid. People that think there is an active shooter typically run from the scene, not towards the active shooter. What did he expect to accomplish running at a man with a gun, if not to get shot? — Harry Hindu
I was talking about his second victim. — Kenosha Kid
The second person had knocked him to the ground, beating him in the neck with a skateboard and was wrestling his gun away when shot. — Hanover
That he took a machine gun to a protest against police murdering black people? That the group he approached with said gun was largely black? That said, I did cause a mispeak in my edit. I originally wrote "shoot people". So to clarify, he "did shoot people — Kenosha Kid
Two violent criminals are dead. I'd say the world is better off for his presence that day. Who knows what other violent crimes those two would have committed in their lives. Just look at the Wisconsin parade killer. — Harry Hindu
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