Couldn't human nature be immoral? — Banno
Isn't this an example of the naturalistic fallacy? — Banno
SO you do not think that we ougth in some way seek to overcome our nature? — Banno
Given the recent societal disagreements about a number of morale issues, I have spent some time recently thinking about whether morality can be absolute. On a given subject, is one particular moral view objectively right and the others are wrong, regardless of what people believe? Or are people's beliefs and views central in the creation of morality itself, and thus morality is subjectively dependant on those beliefs and views. — PhilosophyRunner
That's sad.I've been as clear as I can be. — T Clark
I've linked to this video several times here on the forum. I think it's fascinating and tells us something profound about human morality. 13 minutes. — T Clark
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First of all the OP clarifies that refers to objective moral judgments not Absolute morality. (I quote " On a given subject, is one particular moral view objectively right and the others are wrong, regardless of what people believe? ") — Nickolasgaspar
Any views on this topic, or about my position? — PhilosophyRunner
If rape is wrong because we have agreed it is wrong, it is good when we change our mind. — Hanover
I think the question is, is there any true good? Is there anything which is unconditionally good, not a matter of either social convention or individual conviction? — Wayfarer
And that seems a very hard thing to discern sans a religious doctrine. — Wayfarer
The universe was never designed to be a paradise. Ethics is, by and large, a pressing issue for what can suffer, the potential for pain immediately opens up a new dimesion to reality viz. ethics. How do we carve out a moral world, i.e. create jannat, from a universe that can also be converted into a jahanam? — Agent Smith
I think the question is, is there any true good? Is there anything which is unconditionally good, not a matter of either social convention or individual conviction? I don't know if that automatically entails absolutism - the requirement is simply for some good that is not simply a matter of individual or social judgement. And that seems a very hard thing to discern sans a religious doctrine. — Wayfarer
Specific metrics in behavior(altruism, truthfulness, respectful etc) is how we know that well being is reinforced among members of a society.
So if specific behavior undermines well being or the prospect of it then we can objectively make a judgment for its immoral nature. — Nickolasgaspar
Religious doctrine is written by people, no? — Isaac
So the above examples prove... — Nickolasgaspar
By independently evaluating each act and realizing if it is in favor or against the well being of members and their society we can arrive to objective conclusions about the moral value of an act. — Nickolasgaspar
humans don't possess an innate ability to discern the good, at least not without training in philosophy, which is concerned with discerning the good, and the curriculum of philosophy is in learning that skill. — Wayfarer
Enlightened, divinely inspired, directly in touch with god...if you like, yeah. But still people. — Isaac
timescale is not relevant. — Nickolasgaspar
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