• Srap Tasmaner
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    they are both merely systems on a trajectory towards consciousness.sackoftrout

    This is your claim, but I don't think it is sustainable. There is a distinction, which people clearly do recognize, between actual entities and possible entities, and it is evident that they encode that distinction in their moral intuitions.
  • Thorongil
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    As you say, you cannot inflict harm or suffering on a non-conscious object. A foetus is not conscious, therefore you cannot inflict harm on it. Its cognitive abilities are irrelevant.sackoftrout

    I was clearly using both words to mean the same thing. A fetus is most definitely conscious, just not as conscious as a more developed human organism.

    Actions of moral relevance can only be carried out in physical reality.sackoftrout

    So you're assuming naturalism.
  • Srap Tasmaner
    5k

    We probably should have done this at the beginning.

    P = "All actual or possible conscious systems must be allowed to develop."
    Q = "Unrestricted procreation must be allowed."
    R = "Abortion must not be performed."

    We have as premises
    (1) PQ
    (2) PR
    (3) ¬Q

    From (1) and (3), we can conclude, by modus tollens:
    (4) ¬P

    So far, so good.

    But then I think you are trying to infer from (2) and (4)
    *(5) ¬R

    That's no good.(PR) & ¬P does not entail ¬R.

    Wikipedia calls this Denying the antecedent.

    It is perfectly consistent to affirm (1) through (4) and R, as I keep suggesting many people do.

    ALSO: You cannot infer from (1) through (3) that RP.
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