Banno
The past event E was contingent if the causal factors (C) that produced E had the potential (at the time) to produce E or ~E. IOW, both E and ~E were possible. — Relativist
Richard B
The composition may change in terms of NaCl, etc., but if you do not have H2O then you do not have water. Your response? — NotAristotle
Relativist
For those reading along, the standard definition of contingency is roughly just that an event is contingent if it is true in some but not all possible worlds.
This has the great advantage of not involving any notion of causality or temporality. — Banno
Banno
it ignores the controversies... — Relativist
is pretty much right. Contingency is modal, potential is causal, such that if we mix the two, then we ought keep close track of which is which.You're conflating possibility with potential. There is no potential for a different past, but we can consider whether a past event was necessary or contingent. — Relativist
Relativist
I wasn't "defining" possibility, I was discussing the ontology of possibilty - pertinent to the discussion ofUnfortunately your definition of contingency mixes causality and and modality. If it were a definition of determinacy, it would work. — Banno
RussellA
Sure, but in the situation we're talking about every possible world is actual, and there's no definition as to what actual means. So "actual" is meaningless. — Metaphysician Undercover
Then there is the source of my empirical experience, which is not one of the possible worlds (as these are what are in the model), therefore not actual. So I concluded that it is an illusion. — Metaphysician Undercover
No, the actual world we live in is not actual, the possible worlds are actual. — Metaphysician Undercover
RussellA
The reasoning is inescapably circular! — Relativist
Kripke's theory of naming, presented in his book "Naming and Necessity," argues against the descriptivist theory of names, proposing instead that names refer to objects through a causal chain originating from an initial act of naming. This means that a name's reference is fixed by its original use, rather than by a set of descriptive properties associated with the name.
Metaphysician Undercover
You're conflating possibility with potential. — Relativist
The past event E was contingent if the causal factors (C) that produced E had the potential (at the time) to produce E or ~E. IOW, both E and ~E were possible. — Relativist
After the event, it will remain a historical fact that E was contingent (E and ~E were possible). — Relativist
This has the great advantage of not involving any notion of causality or temporality. — Banno
One of the things happening in this side conversation is that modality, temporality and causality are being mixed together with little clear idea of how they interact - that is, without a suitable logic. — Banno
One of the great advantages of possible world semantics is that it can be used to provide such logics. — Banno
That is like saying because there is no definitive definition of “pain” the concept of pain becomes meaningless. — RussellA
No one has directly seen a quark, but only theorised about them. The Merriam Webster dictionary defines “illusion” as “something that deceives or misleads intellectually”. “Illusion” would be the wrong word to describe our understanding of quarks. Similarly with theorised possible worlds. — RussellA
Is it referring to i) the world as we perceive it through our senses or ii) the external world that is causing our sensations? — RussellA
Relativist
No, that's not what contingent means. Suppose necessitarianism is true. Necessitarianism is the theory that every that event that occurs (past and future) occurred necessarily. IOW there are contingent events and no objects that exists contingently.Sure, all physical things and actions can be understood as "contingent". That means their existence is dependent on causation. — Metaphysician Undercover
RussellA
You left out the other condition, "pain" must refer to everything as well. If pain refers to everything, as "actual" refers to all possible worlds, and there is no definition for "pain", then it's meaningless. — Metaphysician Undercover
The concept of "quark" misleads intellectually, by producing the illusion that something not understood is understood. — Metaphysician Undercover
Even the experience of our perceptions must be put into descriptive words before it becomes a part of the modal model. If the modal model is "the actual", then our perceptions are not. — Metaphysician Undercover
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