So we're going? Posty McPostface you should change the thread title! — Srap Tasmaner
2.0121
It would, so to speak, appear as an accident, when to a thing that could exist alone on its own account, subsequently a state of affairs could be made to fit.
If things can occur in atomic facts, this possibility must already lie in them.
(A logical entity cannot be merely possible. Logic treats of every possibility, and all possibilities are its facts.)
Just as we cannot think of spatial objects at all apart from space, or temporal objects apart from time, so we cannot think of any object apart from the possibility of its connexion with other things.
If I can think of an object in the context of an atomic fact, I cannot think of it apart from the possibility of this context. — Wittgenstein
2.014
Objects contain the possibility of all states of affairs. — Wittgenstein
2.0141
The possibility of its occurrence in atomic facts is the form of the object. — Wittgenstein
The relationship of facts to atomic facts is pretty much that the former are just collections of the latter — MetaphysicsNow
So, I hope I'm not going too off topic here. I'm just trying to understand if there is any apparent difference between 'Sachlage' (state of affairs) and 'Sachverhalt' (atomic facts). — Posty McPostface
2.0121
It would, so to speak, appear as an accident, when to a thing that could exist alone on its own account, subsequently an [objective situation] could be made to fit.
If things can occur in [facts and relationships], this possibility must already lie in them.
(A logical entity cannot be merely possible. Logic treats of every possibility, and all possibilities are its facts.)
Just as we cannot think of spatial objects at all apart from space, or temporal objects apart from time, so we cannot think of any object apart from the possibility of its connexion with other things.
If I can think of an object in the context of [how stuff hangs together], I cannot think of it apart from the possibility of this context. — L.W.
Objects contain the possibility of all [objective situations].
(Alternatively:) Objects contain all possible ways stuff might lie together. — L.W.
The possibility of its occurrence in [how stuff holds together] is the form of the object. — L.W.
For Sach-lage, I like to think of "how stuff lies together". It might also mean an "objective situation" — John Doe
It's a semantic quibble over what obtains in reality (Sachverhalt) and what not necessarily so or is otherwise possible (Sachlage). — Posty McPostface
Yeah, that's not how I understand Sachlage. More like a possible configuration of atomic facts giving rise to it having a 'sense'. — Posty McPostface
Sachverhalt is what is and Sachlage is what could be. — Posty McPostface
1. The World is all that is the case.
1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not things.
1.2 The world divides into facts.
2. What is the case—a fact—is the existence of a state of affairs. [Was der Fall ist, die Tatsache, ist das Bestehen von Sachverhalten.] — L.W.
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