One of the intractable problems I see with trust when it comes to professional therapists is that they charge you for their services, and just as you would not expect a prostitute to love you or know you, why should you expect that the therapist really knows you or cares about you? How can you trust someone if you do not feel that they genuinely know you and care about you? — Janus
What had been traditionally the therapeutic effect of talking about one's issues with trusted friends has been appropriated, and turned into a paid service, it has been monetized and turned into a kind of prostitution. Therapy is also very expensive and not affordable to those on low incomes.
It does not follow from the fact that profit is gained that it is the sole motive. Some people love to help others. — creativesoul
If being paid for one's services makes one a prostitute, then capitalism has made prostitutes of us all. — creativesoul
Compare it to Santa giving coal to naughty kids on Christmas I think. After my limited experience with dealing with some people who have gone through rather troubling experiences, they tend to (if the desire to do so at all exists) to cope with these adverse experiences by some derivative of the Stockholm syndrome. What do you make of that sort of phenomenon? — Wallows
why should you expect that the therapist really knows you or cares about you? How can you trust someone if you do not feel that they genuinely know you and care about you? — Janus
With machine learning algorithms being more susceptible to biases in the form of racist and sexist remarks, key industry players need to ensure robustness in their AI system before bringing it out to the market.
All you will ever get here, or from a machine is coal; if you want to meet the real Santa, you have to find that other with whom you feel so safe as to be prepared to take a risk. — unenlightened
And if you will allow a moment of unsolicited advice, in such an encounter, do not make your first demand that the other will always love you and never leave you. That is what a 0 year-old needs, but a 10 year-old already needs a measure of separateness. — unenlightened
I guess the question comes down to which stories /self narratives do you promote, which show truth and raise autonomy, and which do you fight on all fronts to rid yourself of. Of course, fighting the good fight doesn't mean winning, hence grace (as you've nicely characterised it). — fdrake
don't make other people feel shame. — csalisbury
The two visions align, — csalisbury
Maybe you can get addicted to the feeling of someone 'hearing' the no? like addicted to the explicit condemnation? — csalisbury
It doesn't matter because it's not your responsibility to forgive. — csalisbury
Shame is one of the most unpleasant, most shattering, feelings. And it's palliated somehow, by passing it on to someone else. I don't like the whole thing at all. The people who can best shame are the people who are most acquainted with shame. Its this nasty vampiric cycle I just want out of. — csalisbury
So maybe let the real you wreck friendships and produce frowns as long as it is the real you and not pent up frustration and unresolved dramas having to do with childhood crap. — frank
What's discomfiting is there doesn't seem to be much left but a kind of somber blankness, which my mind tries feverishly to cover up — csalisbury
One sees what one is, what one is made of, that it is the drama, that it is the past that one replays, and that there is nothing else to one's substance than this melodrama, and one is always hiding the void from oneself and from others. — unenlightened
After all these years interacting with you, and trying to find some guiding theme in your philosophy, I am coming to the conclusion that you either want us to digress into a state of an atavistic emotive reactionary motivating force that would 'direct' us or a Nietzschian derivative of logotherapy. Am I mistaken here? — Wallows
I try my best to be just what I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them,
They say 'Sing while you slave', and I just get bored.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more. — His Bobness
Get back to the fields and sing! — unenlightened
What's discomfiting is there doesn't seem to be much left but a kind of somber blankness, which my mind tries feverishly to cover up. It's hard to find what to promote that isn't wrapped up with that covering. Right now all I really have to work with/on is: don't lie, honor commitments, don't make other people feel shame. — csalisbury
If being paid for one's services makes one a prostitute, then capitalism has made prostitutes of us all.
— creativesoul
Yes, and I think there is a very real sense in which it has; if you buy into it at least. ("Buy into it" look at the terminology there and its implications). — Janus
Someone mentioned drama. — creativesoul
"The most shortsighted and pernicious way of thinking wants to make the great sources of energy, those wild torrents of the soul that often stream forth so dangerously and overwhelmingly, dry up altogether, instead of taking their power into service and econominizing it." - Nietzsche — frank
I mean, how'd it work out for Nietzsche? — csalisbury
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