There are bad actors self-identifying as trans to take advantage of vulnerable women. — Jeremy Murray
Do you think that the State ought legislate to override the professional decisions of a child's carers and doctors, as well as parents, with a general piece of legislation that cannot take into account the context in which that decision is made? — Banno
Not sure you are reading what I write. — Jeremy Murray
If your move is just the rhetorical one of calling evidence with which you disagree, "dogma", then there is no point in showing you the evidence. — Banno
Now there is a rather large and growing body of evidence concerning puberty blockers. — Banno
I didn't use an analogy — Banno
You are quite presumptive in your response — Banno
Now there is a rather large and growing body of evidence concerning puberty blockers.
— Banno
Okay, share it. — Jeremy Murray
Confirmation bias is an amazing thing.I have seen a great deal of evidence to the contrary. — Jeremy Murray
Presumptive. And a poor argument. I was professionally involved with Trans children for decades.I believe I have been following the issue longer than you have — Jeremy Murray
No I didn't. You are confabulating.You compared a drug to gender affirmative treatment. — Jeremy Murray
I'm glad to hear you have "skin in the game", albeit from a distance.You 'presume' I dislike trans people. — Jeremy Murray
Your analogy is false. Puberty blockers are not 'neutral drugs'. They are fad science, with limited evidence, that is being applied to large populations would not have been candidates for the approach in the initial development of the methodology. — Jeremy Murray
Isn't there a danger there that someone who is serious about gender reassignment down the road could benefit from puberty blockers at adolescence and we're taking away that option? — RogueAI
...the consequences are permanent infertility and sexual dysfunction. — frank
..the consequences are permanent infertility and sexual dysfunction.
— frank
That's a bit like saying that giving blood causes Myocardial infarction. It happens, but not often. — Banno
What we can conclude is that that there are issues, and urge caution. In both directions. — Banno
That's misinformation. Not wrong, but not quite right, either.every male who takes puberty blockers will be permanently infertile and will never have an orgasm. — frank
Or improved so as to avoid these complications.Puberty blockers will eventually be illegal everywhere. — frank
I'm not seeing anything interesting accruing from this discussion. — Banno
Pretending that there is no evidence in support of the efficacy of puberty blockers is pretty poor. — Banno
Isn't there a danger there that someone who is serious about gender reassignment down the road could benefit from puberty blockers at adolescence and we're taking away that option? — RogueAI
They give them in early puberty and the consequences are permanent infertility and sexual dysfunction. — frank
this forum is not the place to evaluate the evidence, and we are not the people to do the evaluation. Instant expert syndrome is at play here. — Banno
Or improved so as to avoid these complications. — Banno
Would you have a philosopher evaluate your cancer biopsy?What good is philosophy if it does not help evaluate evidence? — Jeremy Murray
Why so long? Slow internet connection? If you would be an instant expert you might need to upgrade your network.It took me ten minutes to come up with this evidence, and I can go on. — Jeremy Murray
They give them in early puberty and the consequences are permanent infertility and sexual dysfunction. That's not a decision an adolescent, still working out who they are, should be making. — frank
Why so long? Slow internet connection? If you would be an instant expert you might need to upgrade your network.
I can do it too. — Banno
But it is a decision their parents can make. Can we look at puberty blockers like certain drugs that have potential terrible side effects? Like chemotherapy? If I'm the parent of a trans adolescent who has been trans much of her life and is now suicidal over it, and the only thing keeping her going is the prospect of fully transitioning later on...aren't puberty blockers an option I should consider? You would take that away from me? — RogueAI
You came here to prove your point, not to discuss the topic. That's fine, if tedious. — Banno
Based on this review, there is an extremely low prevalence of regret in transgender patients after GAS." — RogueAI
You came here to prove your point, not to discuss the topic. That's fine, if tedious. — Banno
Based on this review, there is an extremely low prevalence of regret in transgender patients after GAS." — RogueAI
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