First, atheism is simply a personal position on one issue, and not a belief system, so there is nothing to rely on. — Nobeernolife
Secondly, there are plenty of religions that do not come with a "religious law" — Nobeernolife
Islam: Sunni, Shia, Alawi
Christianity: Maronite Catholicism, Greek Orthodox Church, Greek Catholicism, Armenian Orthodox Church, Armenian Catholicism, Syriac Orthodox Church, Syriac Catholicism, Protestantism, Chaldean Orthodox Church and Catholicism, Other Christian Denominations.
Druzism, Judaism — Fifteen communities administering their religious law in Lebanon
Dharmaśāstra became influential in modern colonial India history, when they were formulated by early British colonial administrators to be the law of the land for all non-Muslims (Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs) in South Asia, after Sharia i.e. Mughal Empire's Fatawa-e-Alamgiri[12][13] set by Emperor Muhammad Aurangzeb, was already accepted as the law for Muslims in colonial India.[14][15][16] — Wikipedia on Dharmaśhāstra
It is about what the secularists-atheists try to replace religious systems by. — alcontali
When push comes to shove, you will see that e.g. a Christian community suddenly also has a religious law. — alcontali
You really should stop generalizing. Secularists-atheists by definition do not necessarily try to replace anyhing. — Nobeernolife
Activists hold placards during a protest demanding civil marriage in Lebanon. There is currently no Lebanese civil personal status law.
Lebanon does not have a civil code regulating personal status matters. Instead, there are 15 separate personal status laws for the country’s different recognized religious communities including twelve Christian, four Muslim, the Druze, and Jewish confessions, which are administered by separate religious courts.
Religious authorities often promoted this judicial pluralism as being essential to protecting Lebanon’s religious diversity. In reality, the multiplicity of laws means that Lebanese citizens are treated differently when it comes to key aspects of their lives, including marriage, divorce, and custody of children.
This variation has prompted rights activists in Lebanon to advocate for civil personal status law that would guarantee that citizens are treated equally, while ensuring that their freedom of belief is respected. — Unequal and Unprotected. Women’s Rights under Lebanese Personal Status Laws
So, these "activists" want "to guarantee that citizens are treated equally".
I don't think you understand what your talking about; most of the "divorce" court system has nothing to with recent political or identarian movements (e.x. "2nd or 3rd wave pop feminism", or whatnot").Their idea is to replace religious law by their own secular inventions. Of course, that will just lead to a western-style divorce-rape system where men will no longer want to marry
How much "fertility rate" does one need; monogamy itself "lowers fertility" rates in comparison to archaic practices such as polygamy; which even "religious" systems for most of recent history have accepted, as a cultural evolution above more primitive practices, and civilizing force which guarantees better rights for families, children, and so on and so forth., and to a collapse in the fertility rate. It means the end of the nuclear family.
What do you mean by "work", and by what means to what ends?The religious communities do not want their law to be replaced by something that is known not to work.
Says the guy talking about MRAs and whatnot, when historically, as far as ancient cultures go, MRAs and MGTOW wouldn't have any "rights" to begin with or petition for; do you think an ancient monarch would tolerate him — IvoryBlackBishop
And when, in your actual life (not in Cod), have you actually done that, or will you actually do that, tough guy?Furthermore, rights are not something the monarch gives you but something that you extract at gunpoint. Hence, it is mostly a question of who defeats whom in battle.
Fact is those groups want "legal" rights. — IvoryBlackBishop
Whereabouts? Went to Thailand recently. Loved it and want to move back there. — Michael
Spent 2 months in Siem Reap a few years ago. Probably my favourite place. — Michael
You've yet to substantiate that.That depends on a social-political framework that may or may not exist, and that can easily stop existing from the one day to the other.
I don't think you know what you're talking about?When the Roman legions inevitably abandoned the fortifications on the Rhine in 406 AD, it was game over for the existing societal framework. There were no debates any longer. There were only sword fights.
Cool, who cares?Given the fact that I also believe that western society is beyond salvation, I agree with MGTOW and not with MRA, whose ambitions I consider to be pointless. I love it here in SE Asia. I am also not coming back. Ever.
Once the now disfunctional societal framework will have collapsed (the sooner the better) it will be impossible to resurrect it, because the men who will have fought in combat will simply not want it back.
We will probably have to contend with lots of marauding gangs but that is also not such a bad thing because these gangs will prefer to pick the easy targets and thus systematically eliminate the feminized pushovers. It would be a bad idea to put a stop to the cleansing chaos of the mating season too early
I've never been in anything which would amount to "violent conflict" — IvoryBlackBishop
I've been with somewhere between 15-20 women, nor was I ever married. — IvoryBlackBishop
The cockatoos' incubation and brooding responsibilities may either be undertaken by the female alone in the case of the black cockatoos or shared amongst the sexes as happens in the other species. In the case of the black cockatoos, the female is provisioned by the male several times a day. — Wikipedia on Cockatoo breeding
I've never been in anything which would amount to "violent conflict"ago — IvoryBlackBishop
1.3k — alcontali
Cool. You're point is?Pretty much every religion insists on the idea that useful sex is part of the overall breeding strategy.
I look after my three children here. I bring "the fruits and the nuts", pretty much in accordance with the basic biology of humanity and in line with Islamic-law advisories.
I consider the proper breeding strategy not to be about merely sleeping with arbitrary females. It is not that "pumping and dumping" would be hard to do here in SE Asia. Especially in Vietnam, there is a specialized class of young women doing that in exchange for not much money. So, it is certainly possible to use that kind of services for convenient "tension relief" but on the whole this behaviour can be deemed biologically low-value or even worthless.
The reality is that the "feminized" Catholic Church, requiring priesthood celebacy and monogamy outlived the "rapefugees"; countries like that, such as Sub-Saharan Africa are stuck in 3rd world status, you're a white kid typing on a philosophy forum, not Sub-Saharan African warlord raping, looting, plundering anything at all.Next, there are the external factors too. A society full of feminized pushovers attracts outsiders who would simply enjoy to push them over. Et cetera, et cetera. The current trends are unsustainable. I think that the implosion cannot be far away. Where is the popcorn? ;-)
I've been with somewhere between 15-20 women, nor was I ever married. — IvoryBlackBishop
Cool. You're point is? — IvoryBlackBishop
I've never "payed" for it — IvoryBlackBishop
I've had a few lonely housewives preposition me — IvoryBlackBishop
You contradict yourself, you're now saying men should be "civilized, effminiate, and monogamous" — IvoryBlackBishop
men who chase after any woman they want. — IvoryBlackBishop
People who buy a Lamboghini easily hand over $500,000 for a 200 MPH car which they can only legally drive up to 65 MPH, what's your point?airing up early in one's life, not having the experience of sharing in a variety of sexual styles, preferences, wishes, wants, etc., seems like an impoverished life. — Bitter Crank
Seen in a more financial context, it may actually be the other way around.
Men may easily hand over 70% of their income for dependents. So, if he makes $100,000 per year, for example, then (without interest), that could represents $70,000 x 40 = $2.8 million of household funding at stake. — alcontali
Sure, for uglier people it is, if you're a rock star or a pro-athlete (or at least look kind of like one), some women probably give it up for free. (I'm sure it also helps if they have a husband or a boyfriend).Sex is heavily intertwined with raw money.
Why not? Some people spend $2.8 million on a rare baseball card, how one uses their money or what they ultimately deem it "worth" is up to them.If the counterparty in the deal has routinely been giving away sexual favours for free to other men, then why would this man agree to erode away $2.8 million on that person?
Maybe then he should start hitting the gym and become a male gigolo or escort, assuming he doesn't mind dating "MILFs" or "GILFs":Why shouldn't he be getting the sex for free too? If the other guys were more deserving of freebies for reasons of preference, then this counterparty in the deal should probably just go back to these other guys.
Blah blah blah, The majority of what you call "capitalism" is all about "feelings" and anti-thetical to anything rational, whether bare basic financial planning, accounting, time management and self-scheduling, or things even a better and more welly-adapted child could be expected to on their own.When money is at stake, the negotiations tend to become ruthless and merciless, while "feelings" do not matter in the least, because that is what capitalism is all about.
Money and "feelings" don't mix particularly well.
I fail to see your point, as usual.In other words, if someone has been giving sex away for free, this person may very well have to keep giving it away for free for the rest of their life. They can no longer become dependent on externally provided household funds, not even if they may at some point in their lives really need it.
How's that for an "impoverished" life?
Sure, for uglier people it is, if you're a rock star or a pro-athlete (or at least look kind of like one), some women probably give it up for free. — IvoryBlackBishop
I fail to see your point, as usual. — IvoryBlackBishop
Get a life..."Free" is never really "free" when it is about sex. The other side usually has possibly hidden expectations. When these expectations are not fulfilled, the other side may very well try to get back at you. Just look at the Weinstein case. All these women slept with him hoping that he would land them an acting gig as an actress. I am sure some of them did get what they wanted, but the ones who didn't now scream "rape!". This problem rarely occurs if you finish such "casual sex" episode by paying a nominal fee. — alcontali
I never payed for it — IvoryBlackBishop
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