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Don’t attack the debate guys as if they’re the threat because, in reality, they’re your allies. — BenMcLean
1. Reject anti-white policies & rhetoric, but on the grounds of a moderate liberal civic nationalism, not white nationalism.
2. Stop seeing "socialism" as the boogeyman and instead work to get responsible people appointed and responsible policies made for real governance, not just opposition.
3. Actually get control of Big Tech, reigning it in so that tech works for the benefit of people and not the other way around.
4. Pursue pro-natalist, pro-family, pro-home-ownership policies across the board.
5. Stay home from foreign wars. — BenMcLean
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Is there really a right wing and a left wing in the US, or was Gore Vidal right when he said, “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat”? — Tom Storm
I don't know if Trump is radical enough for me.Trump doesn't seem to be a conservative, he's more of a radical. — Tom Storm
Like Gore Vidal was? He was clearly part of the show if anyone ever was, not above it.Or are they just a showbiz distraction? — Tom Storm
I can't say there are none, but that is in general not the problem you're facing.Aren't some of the debate guys also canaries in the coalmine? Testing sometimes appalling positions to see if the public has an appetite for them? — Tom Storm
That is, I think, my main point. The Right needs to go anti-corporate in a big way. Wall Street abandoned us in 2008, then actively persecuted us from 2014-2024. It is time they got what's coming to them: a massive regulatory backlash. An American right wing actually willing to wield political power because it has ditched libertarianism to reign in and stop Woke Capitalism.What is your potion on corporate power in general? — Tom Storm
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Vidal was just a Communist bemoaning the fact that neither American political party was explicitly Communist because both of them preferred living over dying. — BenMcLean
As I see it, we need to protect private individual property from corporate overreach, not abolish private property! — BenMcLean
That is, I think, my main point. The Right needs to go anti-corporate in a big way. Wall Street abandoned us in 2008, then actively persecuted us from 2014-2024. It is time they got what's coming to them: a massive regulayory backlash — BenMcLean
Or are they just a showbiz distraction?
— Tom Storm
Like Gore Vidal was? He was clearly part of the show if anyone ever was, not above it. — BenMcLean
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They already have, if Disney counts. You would not believe how much and how many people hate Amazon's Rings of Power on a zealous, religious level. I really think the American Right is ripe for explicit anti-corporatism to take hold.Can you see seriously any elements of the US right going agaisnt the corporations? — Tom Storm
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Interesting well written OP I'm Australian so forgive my somewhat tangential response, but your OP does suggest some questions to me. — Tom Storm
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I am just hoping that the new American Right after Trump can be one which still promotes liberty and justice for all -- and to do that, it's going to need a new political theory, beyond Trump's populism. — BenMcLean
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It's likely to be Vance's Christian nationalism in 2028 if the Republicans win. — BitconnectCarlos
. Conservatives today are deeply concerned with mass migration and political Islam — BitconnectCarlos
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He has said that Christianity is America's creed. — BitconnectCarlos
Ad hom. — BitconnectCarlos
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"Christian nationalism" isn't a clear idea either. I'm a Christian and a civic nationalist -- does that make me a Christian nationalist? The press wants to make "Christian nationalist" a pejorative label and that's why a politician as smart as Vance won't touch it -- not until or unless he is in a situation where he gets to define what the term will henceforth mean. Otherwise, it is just going to be abused by the Leftist press to category-launder him in with some random fringe nutcase somewhere by changing what "Christian nationalist" means the next day after he says he is one.It's likely to be Vance's Christian nationalism in 2028 if the Republicans win. — BitconnectCarlos
They haven't yet become willing to acknowledge the fact of the failure which has ocurred. Libertarianism offers no defense against Woke Capitalism and that's why it has to go.Conservatives today are deeply concerned with mass migration and political Islam rather than free market capitalism. — BitconnectCarlos
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Then the "nationalism" part is redundant, because Jesus said, "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."Christian nationalism is the attitude that all Americans should be Christian. — frank
The people who are worried about "anti-Semitic, homophobic, racist, and sexist" are lunatics who think every politician from the party opposite theirs is literally Hitler, no matter what they say, no matter what they do. Always Hitler. And not even any other monster of history like Stalin, Mao or Pol-Pot: always always Hitler and only Hitler. Every time all the time Hitler everywhere Hitler everyone is Hitler.The people who are worried about "political Islam" are also anti-Semitic, homophobic, racist, and sexist. And they publicly praise Adolph Hitler. — frank
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You're Bob Ross right? — frank
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Buckley's fusionism explicitly embraced and promoted the Civil Rights movement not only by voting for the Civil Rights act in the 1960s but also by making Dr. Martin Luther King's philosophy in "Letter from Birmingham Jail" theirs -- permanently. — BenMcLean
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The true origin of American conservatism as we understood it in the first quarter of the 21st century starts with William F. Buckley and his National Review magazine in the 1950s. — BenMcLean
Is there really a right wing and a left wing in the US, or was Gore Vidal right when he said, “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat”? — Tom Storm
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Oh, absolutely. I recognize here that what I'm doing is articulating an opinionated interpretation of political history and that this isn't the only valid one that could be constructed. But I would argue that it is a valid one -- that when we say "American conservative" we mean not just conservatism as a perrennial mindset which exists in every society, but a very specific, historically contingent ideological stack -- one which Reagan was in and Nixon was out. One which I still admire, despite no longer fully believing in. And one which, in the 2010s, has shown clear signs of expiration. It now needs a replacement, just as it replaced the previous American conservatism before it.Is it gospel? Probably not, but the gospel truth is pretty hard to find. — BC
I think real historical Communist regimes really were against the working class owning a car and a house and were simultaneously just as supportive of societal elites owning a limo and a mansion as any Capitalist regime ever was and the reasons for this are structurally unavoidable. All they did was a reshuffling of elites in such a way as to discard merit as a criterion for elite status. That killed their project.I think Gore Vidal was quite right. The "property party" isn't about the working class owning a car and a house (if they are lucky). — BC
That's not just American society: that's every society. That's the Golden Rule: "Whoever has the gold, makes the rules."It's about the rights and prerogatives of the wealthiest class who own and control capital wealth -- stocks, bonds, factories, income-producing properties, businesses, and so on. The 1% is not a new group in American society; the rich we have with us for a long time, generally calling the shots. — BC
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↪DifferentiatingEgg The Left has an ideological crisis right now too, but I honestly have difficulty articulating it in a non-polemic way, since I'm not one of them myself. — BenMcLean
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