I can place two oranges on the table, and then immediately see that there are two oranges. Then I can place two more oranges next to them, and directly see that there are now four oranges. I can repeat this experiment as many times as I like and the result, it seems obvious will always be the same; for the simple reason that objects do not appear out of nowhere; and even if they did that would not contradict the formula, if I really did put two oranges there both times. — John
I agree, I think that in the final analysis, both math and logic must be intuitive — John
One of the rules that must be made clear in responding to The Willow of Darkness' posts are that (1) they are not required to 'make sense' (on account of 'making sense' is an arbitrarily imposed 'external rule'); and (2) The Willow of Darkness is free to take issue with any proposition, by any person, on any grounds which The Willow of Darkness sees fit, even if those grounds seem to be in direct contradiction to an earlier post by The Willow of Darkness. — Wayfarer
Aristotle treats moral value as ideal — TheWillowOfDarkness
It is something "we are meant to be" separate to our actions in the world — TheWillowOfDarkness
2+2=4 isn't as easy to falsify as you think. — anonymous66
The former being our concept of speaking about our concept of the world, the latter being our concept of the world. — TheWillowOfDarkness
That's what I said. The world, which simply stands for the world, is our concept.the former is a word that stands for the concept of the world and the latter is a word that simply stands for the world — "John
The point of my thread is to suggest that the claim, "you can't get an ought from an is" may not actually be binding. I don't think we can say much without resorting to ought claims. — anonymous66
And I wanted to point out that facts are odd things. I'm not convinced that moral facts would be any more odd than "just plain old regular facts".
You've already admitted what I'm arguing here. The world stands for the world. It is not, itself, the world. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Rather than a telos which governs what a firefighter is meant to do, there is an ethic which the world and the firefighter expresses. — TheWillowOfDarkness
There are states of nature, but no state has a nature. — TheWillowOfDarkness
That's a strawman. I never claimed that our experiences were always about our experiences. Indeed, I've said the exactly opposite at least twice-- if I thinking about my computer screen, I am not thinking about thinking about my computer screen. I'm just thinking of my computer screen. "Stand for" in my argument means the same thing as "of things" in yours. — TheWillowOfDarkness
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