what's your best argument against suicide? — Wallows
If it is you yourself that is unbearable, then I argue that that suicide is the opposite of an escape; contrariwise, it seals you forever into the unbearable being. This is why it is called the only unforgivable sin - if successful, it removes the possibility of repentance, and thus of redemption. One can change, and this is the gift of life. — unenlightened
You could argue that everyone is God, that nothing else exists but You/God, that there is only You and nothingness. So You can only be You even if You try not to be either. — TWI
...this is the hope of the suicidal person, that they become nothing or return to nothingness, the same nothingness that existed before they were born. — Wallows
There's something around the corner that's really cool. If you wait for it, you'll be glad you did. — frank
But if I tell you to fuck off, and then kill myself, have I told you to fuck off? — unenlightened
How about unconscious suicides which lead to death through diseases and accidents which are consequences of negligence, carelessness, bad habits, etc. I think these are easier to address than a person who's already at the point of voluntary suicide after clear deliberation. — BrianW
Or at least this is the hope of the suicidal person, that they become nothing or return to nothingness, the same nothingness that existed before they were born. That's the rationale as far as I can tell of a suicidal person. To become nothing. — Wallows
What's the purpose of asking that? Please elaborate. — Wallows
You mean the unconscious desire to die? — Wallows
So what is happening with a person who is going through this fixation will make one intervention smarter than another but the persuasion is not happening on the level of disqualifying a rationale.
I have had some close encounters with this thing with some family members and close friends and my experience is not a part of learning something like how to draw or shoot arrows. I know less everyday. — Valentinus
As example, imagine asking a seven year old, "What is love?" The child may be brilliant, but they simply don't have the life experience to do a meaningful analysis of the question. The wisest seven year old would reply...."How the heck would I know what love is, for crying out loud, I'm only seven!" :smile: — Jake
No, I mean people who kill themselves unconsciously through the many channels which are consequences of negligence, carelessness, bad habits, etc, etc. For example, people who develop liver problems through excessive consumption of alcohol and which leads to death. Isn't it suicide because it's self-inflicted. — BrianW
I'm still not understanding you here. Are you proposing that someone who unconsciously inflicts self-harm is tantamount to them slowly committing suicide? — Wallows
Yeah. I mean, most people already know the possible consequences of their bad-habits or careless acts. Also think of drunk drivers who end up dead, it's just as much a suicide. — BrianW
I don't know how one can learn how to be less impulsive or learn patience. It's a trait I suppose.
Any thoughts? — Wallows
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