This is why I asked earlier whether you thought that the world only consisted of judgments. You said you didn't, and that whether it was raining wasn't a judgment. — Terrapin Station
Number one: Are you reading what I'm typing? (That's not a rhetorical question, I expect you to answer.) — Terrapin Station
I would prefer not to continue this conversation, thanks. — Snakes Alive
We can judge that it is raining, but this does not mean that that it is raining is not a judgment.
— Snakes Alive
How can you ask that right after I type: "We can make judgments about whether it's raining, but rain isn't a judgment"? — Terrapin Station
Well, this just seems like a rehashing of Hume's is-ought problem. Isn't it? — Wallows
What would you argue that "good" is if not a judgment or assessment? — Terrapin Station
A state of affairs (presumably conditional on some standard or value). So the judgment "I ought to save the child from being run over" can be true (in some context) just as the judgment "it is raining" can be true (in some context). — Andrew M
A state of affairs (presumably conditional on some standard or value) — Andrew M
Yes, an ought cannot be derived form any is... — Janus
The difference is that the former will be true only in some intentional context, not in any purely existential or empirical context, whereas the latter will be true in an existential or empirical context. — Janus
Conditional on some standard or value that's not a judgment, assessment, evaluative property, etc.? — Terrapin Station
If you make that kind of distinction, sure. But you can also hold the view that the intentional is part of the existential or empirical context as, for example, Aristotle did. — Andrew M
I agree that the intentional may be understood to be a part of the empirical context, but not in the same way as perceptible events are. — Janus
Also the fact (if it is a fact) that most people think that something is good, and therefore ought to be valued, does not entail that the people who value whatever it is ought to do so. — Janus
"good" in a moral sense amounts to the person approving of or preferring the (usually interpersonal) behavior in question, if not directly, then as a means to some other end that they approve of or prefer. — Terrapin Station
If goodness is subjective, then you can be right and I can be right, even if our views contradict one another. — Banno
If someone says 'this feels good'... — csalisbury
So can anyone analyse goodness? — Banno
Right. So to give an Aristotelian example, if human well-being (eudaimonia) is the standard (independent of people's opinions about it), then that would ground moral judgments. — Andrew M
"I prefer the behaviour in question, but it is not good".
"I approve: but it is still immoral". — Banno
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