I hold that moral thought/belief can be prelinguistic on the basis that all things moral are about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour.
You disagree on the basis that all moral thought/belief is moral judgment.
Does this capture one disagreement in a nutshell? — creativesoul
The difference is that I hold a minimalist criterion for what counts as being moral - in kind - whereas you hold a more complex notion of what counts as moral thought/belief. — creativesoul
We do agree regarding morality. Morality is codified moral thought/belief. Prelinguistic thought/belief that is moral - in kind - (on my view at least) is inadequate for morality. — creativesoul
What is the difference between being about thought, belief, and/or behaviour and being about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour?
Perhaps that is what underwrites your invocation of "valuation"? — creativesoul
The criterion you've put forth here cannot account for moral discourse because being moral according to your criterion requires moral judgment(approval/disapproval). Not all discourse about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour consists of such judgment. It is all moral discourse nonetheless. — creativesoul
After further considerations, I've determined that moral thought/belief is not just limited to judgement. I have now identified moral principle as another type of moral thought/belief. As it stands now, principle and judgment represent two of the primary types of moral thought/belief. — Merkwurdichliebe
My question is what makes them both moral - in kind? — creativesoul
An astute reader ought already know the answer. — creativesoul
Morality is codified moral thought/belief:The rules of acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. — creativesoul
Perhaps we need to also set out how we arrived at the universal criterion for thought/belief? — creativesoul
Ok, just clarifying. So, we can say, that which is moral in kind is equivalent to:
Morality is codified moral thought/belief:The rules of acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour.
β creativesoul
I would say anything codified would require language. I don't see how I have been considering it otherwise in any of my posts. Please feel free to point out where I have done so. — Merkwurdichliebe
I'm considering moving on without you Merk. I do not like the signs here. — creativesoul
What's the problem? — Merkwurdichliebe
The recent current veins of thought are not taking the groundwork into proper and rightful consideration. That seems to be the problem I'm seeing. — creativesoul
Ok, just clarifying. So, we can say, that which is moral in kind is equivalent to:
Morality is codified moral thought/belief:The rules of acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour. — Merkwurdichliebe
Thought/belief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour does not. That which is moral in kind is not equivalent to morality. The aforementioned list of moral things are all moral things. They are not all morality. Not all moral things are morality. — creativesoul
Knowing the evolutionary origen of anything depends upon knowing that much... morals notwithstanding. — creativesoul
That is what I needed to hear. Do you not agree, that this distinction between moral-in-kind and morality is not of essential importance here? We have barely discussed it.
I just need it clarified a bit more and we will be back on track. — Merkwurdichliebe
Knowing the evolutionary origen of anything depends upon knowing that much... morals notwithstanding.
β creativesoul
Go on...I'm listening. — Merkwurdichliebe
What question would you like an answer to? — creativesoul
Can you explain what you mean by "moral-in-kind" and "morality". What is it that unifies them, and in what ways are they different? — Merkwurdichliebe
Btw, we have worked out these misunderstandings numerous time throughout the course of this thread. Why would we assume this misunderstanding would condemn the conversation. — Merkwurdichliebe
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